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A new bill, the first of its kind in the U.S., would ban security screening company Clear from operating at California airports as lawmakers take aim at companies that let consumers pay to pass through security ahead of other travelers

Sen. Josh Newman, a California Democrat and the sponsor of the legislation, said Clear effectively lets wealthier people skip in front of passengers who have been waiting to be screened by Transportation Security Administration agents. 

"It's a basic equity issue when you see people subscribed to a concierge service being escorted in front of people who have waited a long time to get to the front of TSA line," Newman told CBS MoneyWatch. "Everyone is beaten down by the travel experience, and if Clear escorts a customer in front of you and tells TSA, 'Sorry, I have someone better,' it's really frustrating." 

If passed, the bill would bar Clear, a private security clearance company founded in 2010, from airports in California. Clear charges members $189 per year to verify passengers' identities at airports and escort them through security, allowing them to bypass TSA checkpoints. The service is in use at roughly 50 airports across the U.S., as well as at dozens of sports stadiums and other venues.

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[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Everyone is beaten down by the travel process

TSA has been proven to be a sham time and time again. They’re ineffective at best. Just get rid of it already.

I also fail to see how this is really any different than paying for TSA pre check. The only main difference is skipping the security line but what difference is that really? Both are paid for services that allow the “rich” (yeah right) to get through security quicker. The real rich aren’t traveling in public transportation. Why don’t we ban private planes?

Oh and no offense to the, mostly, good people working there with the public on the front lines. They’re typically pleasant and great with the kids in my family’s experience.

[–] cbarrick@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

TSA Precheck involves a background check and interview. This allows the actual screening process to be lighter.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don't recall an interview, just fingerprinting.

[–] natecox@programming.dev 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I had to go through a full interview to get a TSA precheck. Lots of invasive probing questions about who I am and where I work and what my family ties are.

[–] tarius@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

I had to do an interview for Global Entry, not Precheck

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

My initial application was like eight (?) years ago, I wonder if they've changed it? Maybe they don't interview everyone?

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Did it this year. Some web forms, then went to a place that finger printed me and checked my ID. That was it.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Based on this completely ad hoc "survey," that would indicate that they do perform interviews, but not for everyone.

I'm sure there's not any racial profiling going on, no sir.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I'm pasty white and had a TSA pre-check interview about 2.5 years ago.

Waiting on a Global Entry interview.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

All the info you submitted before the fingerprints

[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The real rich

What some lower-middle class Americans don't realize is that to the great majority of people in this world... we are the rich.

In the US we look at someone making $75,000+, $100,000+, $150,000+, $250,000+, 500,000+, 1,000,000+, 1,000,000,000+ as rich... depending on what our current income level is. The reality is that even making 30k in the middle of nowhere is still better than 85% of the world's income and quality of living.

If you can save $10,000 a year you can save more than 60% of people in the world actually earn.

When I point this stuff out though I get a ton of downvotes. Imagine buying a car, a plane ticket, or personal electronics when your total pre-tax pay is 10k or less... that is most people's situation who are alive today (but less than 30% of Americans!) As a bonus, imported goods are typically cheaper in the US then almost any other country. Hair Gel that is $5 here is easily $20 USD in Santiago, Chile.

There should be way more taxes on the highest earners and more mechanisms that siphon wealth away from those with extreme excess. Just be aware that Americans overall have the most to lose if this goes to a global scale. A lot of things we take for granted and expect are luxury for billions.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And when those people have to live in the US you can make the direct comparison. Go look up PPP. That's why you get downvoted so hard. For example 30k US is 90k in India. Solidly Middle Class but not wealthy. And before you shout about how much 90,000 USD would buy in India, that's not the comparison. The comparison is in lifestyle. So they're living in the US the way a middle class person in India would live. The number just contextualizes it.

Also, using a country that's the dictionary example of monetary and fiscal mismanagement might not be the best way to go.

[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

PPP falls apart when you consider the price of consumer electronics, electricity, gasoline, airfare...

In the Dominican Republic you can't get completely stable electricity. It just doesn't happen without generators/batteries. Generators aren't suddenly cheaper in DR. It's 20DOP for 1kwh of electricity in DR, or $0.34 USD/kwh. I pay less in the greater Boston area. Wages there are way, WAY below 30k/year. The thought of having air conditioning at home is practically impossible for almost all who live there.

I love how you nitpicked the chile reference (with no counterpoint whatsoever) but it's true across Latin America. Imported goods to poorer nations generally cost way above and beyond what the US pays...unless it's prescription drugs because almost all other nations negotiate those prices to be much, much less than what the US pays (and only just started negotiating.. for JUST Medicare.) I'm sure there are other examples as well. The PPP is so far apart on imports it's insane. Often times things are sold in the US even if they are made locally because the price in the US is way above and beyond what the locals can afford.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

And you're not cherry picking? I've been to developing countries. It's not cardboard shacks. Yeah they don't generally have central air and electricity cuts are common. But they have houses, mass transit, good food, bars, smartphones, etc.

Things have improved a lot over the last fifty years. If you want to complain that a bag of Cheetos is expensive and they have to buy Rosquillas de Quesito instead you're not going to find much sympathy among people actually trying to improve lives.

Also, I did provide a counter example. I didn't mention India just for giggles. It's got one of the largest populations that still score as poverty stricken in the global sense. That don't have running water, don't have access to transit, smart phones, healthcare, good jobs, electricity, or safe food.

[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not really a fan of BI for hard info but I checked back in and it looks like they've basically eliminated extreme poverty.

This is the stuff I like to read about -

These include a national mission for construction of toilets and attempts to ensure universal access to electricity, modern cooking fuel, and more recently, piped water. As an example, rural access to piped water in India as of 15th August 2019 was 16.8% and at present it is 74.7%. The reduced sickness from accessing safe water may have helped families earn more income. Similarly, under the Aspirational District Program, 112 districts of the country were identified as having the lowest development indicators. These districts were targeted by government policies with an explicit focus on improving their performance in development.

So yeah, I'm absolutely elated to read that.

[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Man... they use a metric of $2.57/day in 2023 dollars to define the level of extreme poverty? That's $938.05 a year. Just wow.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Yeah. When they say extreme poverty they mean it.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

They cut me off at pre check which is really really irritating.