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A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.

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[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 31 points 7 months ago (55 children)

I would personally reject this deal.

The Palestinian people do not deserve to live under the rule of Hamas. In 19 years of living under Hamas, after all the money given to them by the US, France, the UK, Qatar, Iran, and even Israel, the only thing they built for the Palestinian people has been tunnels to commit terrorism from.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I would personally reject this deal.

The Palestinian people do not deserve to live under the rule of Hamas.

Instead, they deserve to live under the genocidal tyranny of Israel. Clearly that's the much better choice.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 21 points 7 months ago (4 children)

After Ireland gained independence they fought a civil war. Same in countless outer places. The Greeks fought one while fighting for independence. I fully expect the Palestinians to do the same.

The thing is: the Israelis don't get to decide any of this. That what independence from Israel means.

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They also do not deserve to live under an Israeli genocide.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (13 children)

I mean yeah, but why can't we have a two state solution that gets rid of Hamas as a governing authority and also stops genocide?

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[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (5 children)

The Israeli imposed closure on Gaza began in 1991, temporarily, becoming permanent in 1993. The barrier began around Gaza around 1972. After the 'disengagement' in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of 'dual-use' Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted. This has been a deliberate tactic of De-development.

Gaza Policy Forum summary: Experts agree that Israel’s dual-use policy causes acute distress

Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986. (Arguably, the economic terms of the Gaza—Jericho Agreement modify the situation only slightly.)

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In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60 percent over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50 percent decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (com- bined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.

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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy

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[–] gimpchrist@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

It said a free Palestinian State not Hamas rules

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (11 children)

The Palestinian people do not deserve to live under the rule of Hamas. In 19 years of living under Hamas, after all the money given to them by the US, France, the UK, Qatar, Iran, and even Israel, the only thing they built for the Palestinian people has been tunnels to commit terrorism

An independent Palestinian state would give the Palestinian people a chance to throw off the yoke of Hamas.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Probably, but they don't deserve to live under Israel either, and one of those is much more effective at killing them all.

Two state solution has to be the way to go, after that the people can have a Palestinian Spring if they want and overthrow Hamas, but whoever comes after is likely not going to be much better. They never are.

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[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (9 children)

The Palestinian people do not deserve to live under the rule of Hamas

Depends. Does conversion to a political party imply free elections and opposition parties to exist?

[–] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No, obviously Hamas would not take a deal that is conditional upon [the UN?] removing them from power and holding elections.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Not obviously. Hence my request for clarification.

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[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Ahh yes. Reject the deal, continue the starvation and murder of thousands and thousands of Palestinians by Israel. Because what would be more liberating than being murdered?

I see statements like "Free Gaza from Hamas" to justify the continued genocide. It is no suprise, given that the Nazis wrote "Arbeit macht frei". "Work makes free",

Twisting genocide into claiming it to be a liberation of the people they are genociding. Now i am not sure, if you belong to these bad faith people, but if you wonder, why you are getting backlash, it is because your statement seems to be advocating for that.

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