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Seinfeld says that far left woke mobs have killed comedy. He also dated a 17-year-old.
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this post was submitted on 01 May 2024
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They've certainly killed right-leaning comedians like Seinfeld, Bill Maher, Dennis Miller and (can't believe he made the list) Dave Chappelle.
Or maybe they killed themselves by just getting even lamer with their unfunny jokes that punch down at marginalized groups. 🤔
That’s weird about this to me, I never would have called Seinfeld right leaning. Like every one of his standups I’ve ever seen is very neutral, and the show was actually pretty progressive for the time. Chapelle did the punching down, got called out on it (rightfully so), and then doubled down and swung to the right because now he’s the victim! But as far as I know, Jerry didn’t do anything (In terms of jokes, ignoring the… youthfulness… issues for the moment) He just decided to bust out with I’m a victim too stop censoring me? Was there any preface to all this?
I think it's just anger about being out of touch. You can't make comedy in a vacuum, it necessarily draws on contemporary culture, and Jerry's probably feeling a bit left in the dust. But he frames it in a way where he feels victimized. That's my reading for most embarrassing or offensive old comedians though, so maybe I'm painting with too broad a brush.
Real problem is that so many basic things, like we should treat each other decently, or that the earth is warming, shouldn't be political issues. But here we are. And somehow these things become political in conservative circles and thus they are political to liberal circles too.
Now you can't even say "what's the deal with airline food" because even that gets political. Greenhouse gas emissions from flying planes, vegetarian and kosher options in flight, paper straws, airline bailouts, take your pick of where to go next, all political.
That's because Larry David was the primary writer on Seinfeld.
What a fucking euphemism lol for fucks sake
I wouldn't be surprised if all his backlash is because he's a fucking pervert
OP mentioned 3 prominent Democrats as examples of right-wingers. You can have opinions that aren't lock-step with whatever the current hot button issues are without being a right-winger. Democrats are supposed to be the more independently thinking party, but we're seeing a hell of a lot of tribalism these days from both parties. It's honestly pretty disturbing.
He didn't do anything in his comedy shows no. Comedians in cars with coffee got pretty right slanted pretty fuckin quick.
It did? Maybe it's been a while and I don't remember but it seemed fine at the time.
Anti liberal ideology is introduced in almost every episode, it's just slightly veiled.
He even talks cancel culture on the Michael Richards episode. I like Kramer but you scream the hard r a dozen or more times and you deserve everything you get.
Fair enough. Pretty sure I skipped that episode because I just didn't really care to hear Richards try and rehab his image.
Even the Jim Carrey episode was a bit iffy and I love Jim Carrey movies.
He probably finally realized that people don't find him funny and wanted to have his name int the news again.
Have you seen any of his recent stand up?
Yeah the Dave Chappelle one came way outta right field lol that PIC with Taylor majore Greene idk how to spell it was unexpected or I'm uninformed
I think you mean left field just fyi
I was trying to be funny lol
Why does it matter?
If you are a running batter in baseball (where the term originated), then the ball being thrown from left field seems as if it came out of nowhere.
Damn, all these years and I never realized that's what it literally meant. I always knew what the expression meant figuratively but not its literal origin.
Ok, but it was understood what they meant
Since when is Dennis Miller a right winger? Bill Maher has always been a vocal member of the Democratic party.
Both seemed to have turned recently. Both of them in recent stand up specials they've released since 2019 have said, on stage, they are Republicans and expressed views consistent with that in their routines. It was a shock to me, considering I remember them being very anti-conservative back in the 90's.
Seems like people just age into being conservative.
They said they're Republicans, or they expressed viewpoints that people considered to be aligned with Republicans?
Both.
Dennis Miller has been part of the Fox News hosting and commentary family for a long time now.
I seem to remember Maher seeming more leftist at some point, but that might be because of his unabashed atheism. He's always been insufferably arrogant though.
He's a leftist that doesn't like PC culture or identity politics. He does believe in equality, inclusion, and those sorts of principles, but he doesn't agree with the way we're going about seeking those things.
Economic reductionist would be the term, right? The "we fix the economy and regulate corporations and racism will fix itself" viewpoint?
That's not a view that I've ever heard him express, but I haven't heard much from him in years. He used to be outspoken about global warming, and the environment. He was the first celebrity to buy an electric car all the way back in like 1996, I think it was called the Honda Insight. He was pro-gay rights, pro-women's rights, and a lot of other issues you'd consider Democrat. But he also mocked PC culture, and even had a show called Politically Incorrect. Last time I heard about him he seemed pretty much like the same person, but society has changed. I guess if you retain your same "progressive" views from 30 years ago, and social views change and progress, then you're kind of "conserving" old views, even though you weren't a conservative at one point. That's probably why people appear to become more conservative as they get older. They haven't actually changed, they just stopped agreeing with the direction of progress.
Oh I was just guessing that was the case, you seem way more informed than me here though
Can’t tell you the exact year but DM became a right wing pundit some years back
How though? Dave Chapelles last Netflix special was 2023 and he fills halls in 2024, the same year in which he won another Grammy.
Man I don't think it's fair for Chappelle to be on the list. I wouldn't even call him right-leaning, but in today's sociopolitical landscape, anything not left-leaning is by default right-leaning and all centrists or near-neutrals are closet fascists who want to pick the worst candidate at all times because that's what their satanic cult taught them to do, according to social science graduates. Just like how unprovoked hatred towards men or whites is never sexist or racist because men were historically oppressors.
The court of public opinion really do be wil'in sometimes frfr but hey I guess at least they have some science to back them up....
Anyway, as always, downvote and insult away, idgaf about ur opinion or whether mine digress' from the status quo
edit: all this said, I never found Chappelle funny and his social commentary was hit/miss
Eeeeeh, Chappelle's views on trans people are pretty fucked up.
What views exactly? I don't recall anything that sounded super fucked up, but I do recall some incendiary remarks that were pretty dick-ish.