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Why Would He Help Putin?
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this post was submitted on 05 May 2024
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It’s insane to me that they’re not charging him with treason in the documents case. There are ties to Russian intelligence as well as sale of confidential submarine plans.
It's strategic. Why set the bar any higher than it needs to be to put him away for life?
That’s a fair point, but only treason would exempt him from holding office again.
Put him behind bars, THEN charge him for treason. Make him show up to court in handcuffs and an orange jumper, to match his face.
Dude is gonna look like Palpatine when he can't get bronzer anymore.
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:
"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."
Insurrection and rebellion, not treason.
Look up what the constitutionally enumerated definition of treason is, then re-read the second to last sentence of your quote. You have to try to commit treason in the US. This is a winner winner chicken dinner situation.
To set an example for the next treasonous, racist piece of shit that the GOP nominates.
And maybe as a warning for Clarence Thomas and company.
And maybe to pave the way for charging Kushner and the rest of Trump's nepotistic administration.
See, there are lots of reasons to throw the book at Trump.
I think the concern is inciting retaliatory violence.
I don't think that should be a concern of a prosecuting authority. If people break the law, especially at the scale and severity that Trump did, they need to be prosecuted. If other people retaliate, then prosecute them accordingly. We didn't stop prosecuting Jan 6 insurrectionists just because of inflammatory rhetoric, and we shouldn't hold back here.
I agree. But if I was the prosecutor, I would be doing my best to make sure everything is rock solid. Even then, it might not be enough.
I really really want to believe people are over Trump, but somehow so many are hook, line and sinker.
I agree that the case needs to be airtight, and I agree that the most slam-dunk offenses should be prosecuted first. I was just taking issue with the "why bother prosecuting for treason when lesser offenses are enough to put him in jail for the rest of his life" logic
He still has 100s of millions supporters. That's the part that scares me.
Not that many. 70 million. Which is 70 million more than he should, but.
Not all of those were even really "supporters" of Trump.
You have a whole segment of folks who are going to vote red regardless of who is running, who've been doing so their entire lives and aren't about to change just because this Republican isn't what they want - at least he's not a Democrat. They literally check the straight Republican ticket box if there is one and move on, they don't know much about politics and vote GOP because they were raised to vote GOP.
I've met more than a few GOP voters who outright wish the GOP candidate was someone else because they can acknowledge Trump is an idiot, but are going to vote for Trump because he's the GOP nominee and for no other reason.
Yeah. Sad, innit.
I honestly don't think he has that many supporters any more. There are simply hundreds of millions of people that will vote for whoever wins the GOP nomination. That might sound like the same thing, but the Republican nomination process in most states excludes anyone who is not a registered Republican, so the nominees keep getting more extremist and turnout keeps dropping in primaries.
My parents are die-hard conservatives, and they want Trump to quietly go away. However, if he's the one in the ballot in November with an R behind his name, they'll still vote for him
I want to believe you but living in a deep red state, all I have is anecdotal evidence that there's still enough that seemingly unconditionally support him
You're absolutely right that the number of people in this camp is too damn high. Frankly, it's still high enough that he's winning the nomination despite waning support from more moderate conservatives, and that's enough that he will still be a threat in November. So, I guess in that respect it doesn't really matter if he has hundreds of millions of rabid supporters or 1 million rabid supporters and hundreds of millions of lukewarm conservative voters, it seems like he's still going to be on the ballot.
And frankly, my parents might still be rabid supporters and they just know better than to let that show around me and mine because they know his actions are indefensible and they are worried about losing access to their grandkids (with good reason).
That can’t be a concern. The government can be fully able to prepare and handle any sort of MAGA uprising.
Oh how I would love to see a wobbly pack of Oatkeepers try to break him from jail. Need to stock up on snacks.