That being said, they are trying to encapsulate and entire half of the political spectrum. There's going to be gaps, disagreements between individual party members, and places where one policy or value has to override another.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

They support

Abortion (in campaign ads and fundraising emails)
Religious freedom (by wagging a finger when Republicans don't and then doing fuck all about it)
Police reform (by throwing cash at cops for "better training" while refusing to actually change the inherently abusive system)
Civil rights (sometimes) (when it won't effect the bottom line of their owner donors like AIPAC and the fossil fuel industries
Drug decriminalization (in theory, but never in practice)

they are trying to encapsulate and entire half of the political spectrum

No. They are trying to be IN CHARGE OF over half of the political spectrum. The only ideologies other than their own (which is center right to right wing) that they ever try to appeal to is the couple dozen "undecided that are almost but not quite Republicans" left in the country.

There's going to be gaps, disagreements between individual party members, and places where one policy or value has to override another.

Nope, there's going to be nothing but neglect and abuse towards anyone to the left of the leadership, which is now to the right of Reagan.

In spite of the name, the Democratic Party is not democratic or even a party. It's a private for-profit corporation controlled by a small group of people who are in turn controlled to varying degrees by rich people, other corporations, and industry lobbying groups.

[–] Baahb@feddit.nl 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nah, your first statement is close, but you miss by a bit:

"The democrats are the liberal party. They [pretend to] support abortion (when trying to get elected), religious freedom (when trying to get elected), police reform (when trying to get elected), civil rights (when trying to get elected), drug decriminalization (when trying to get elected), etc."

When not trying to get elected they don't actually DO anything.

Drug decriminalization was a big deal in the 70's and we are maybe just now kinda getting around to it.

I didn't even call out the shit behavior on civil rights, you did that.

They seem a-ok with police fucking with college kids right now.

They've had 50 years since roe v wade to guarantee the right to abortion, and they didn't.

What DID they do?

Helped give money to people who are already rich through tax breaks. Helped give money to people who are already rich through deregulation they allowed through. Helped give money to people who are already rich through defense contracts. Helped give money to people who are already rich by overthrowing foreign governments with control over resources out oil barrons want.

Id call those "gaps", yeah.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Literally everything Democrats do is bad, especially the good things they do.

Got it.

Definitely not sounding like fash talking points at all.

[–] Baahb@feddit.nl 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

When choice 1 is kill me slowly (maybe suggest slowing down oil emissions but not actually enforce it), and choice 2 is kill me quickly (lets sell Alaska to Exxon), what is the correct choice?

I would honestly prefer choice 3 which is stop fucking trying to kill me.

Should I commend the D team for not being quite as bad as R? Jesus man, I just want to have options that aren't two different versions of wrong.

Seriously, how do you not understand that this is an ENGINEERED false dichotomy?

Additionally, everyone is coming at me going "the liberal party is progressiveby definition" and yet no one gives any examples of ACTUAL progress o. The D platform that ever a tualky gets acted upon. So far I'm the only person here who's even. Rought up the ACA, and I do grant that it is mild progress, for the US, not for anywhere else in the developed world.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Choice 3 is just choice 2 with a fake mustache.

Should I commend the D team for not being quite as bad as R?

Yes.

Jesus man, I just want to have options that aren’t two different versions of wrong.

Sucks, welcome to being an adult.

and yet no one gives any examples of ACTUAL progress

It's pointless because every time we do you just throw out a red herring. Or start screaming that doing something to fix the problem is somehow worse than making the problem worse. Or you just go quiet.

Let's try. Biden has forgiven $153 billion in student loans that would not be forgiven under the GOP. That is progress.

Commence with the mental gymnastics.

[–] Baahb@feddit.nl 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Debt forgiveness is a decent step... Again unless educating your populace is as high a priority as it should be, in which case higher education would be freely available to any who wanted it. That's not a moving goalpost, that's simply how it always should have been.

Under that, there simply is no student debt. Also, worth noting that debt forgiveness doesn't actually fix the problem, it just gets people to shut up and go away, so yes I am still screaming for good and free public education for the public good.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

There it is. No progress is good enough. Ever.

Fuck you and your "biden bad" propaganda.