Definitely giving @Sickos@hexbear.net's comment some credit here!
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- 30 Non-Vegan Excuses & How to Respond to Them
- Guide to justifications for harming and exploiting animals
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- Animal Liberation Front FAQs
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Hi. You're a fucking lib.
That is all.
A big part that vegans have to navigate is being in a world where most people are not vegan. Due to this, there will be instances of utter disrespect and discomfort that us vegans tend to get frustrated with. I don't usually have a tendency to shittalk non-vegans as much as I'd just like to call out poor carnist rhetoric that manifests in an anti-vegan fashion or ways adjacent to that. Hell, even my comment here explicitly makes a nod to this. Carnists are explicitly not even allowed in this community, and even then, expressing frustration with neurotypical people, white people, or cisgender people in the context of oppressive structures generally isn't even frowned upon on Hexbear even though there are the occasional (or sometimes not so occasional) privileged people who do not understand this. If you express sentiments demonstrating that you have frustrations with veganism, you definitely aren't allowed in this community, and that's by mere virtue of the rules posted. Hell, going by the rules, no carnist is supposed to post in this community, regardless of how strongly you want to spew anti-vegan vitriol or not. Furthermore, I have made posts that aren't particularly related to non-vegans, but regardless of that, it doesn't matter. You're not making a point that actually holds substance either way. Saying "NT/white/cis people on Hexbear sometimes talk over ND/BIPOC/trans people being frustrated with oppression too!" isn't the point you think it is. It states that Hexbear has more problematic tendencies than expected and fixing that will entail a billion struggle sessions.
P.S. If you're a principled ethical vegan, it's very peculiar that you do not understand what I'm getting at here. If you're a carnist, then you're just proving my point altogether.
You ever see someone try to make an argument against someone's point, but their rhetoric is so bad that they just end up accidentally making an argument for that person's point?
Criticizing carnist ideology is a part of being vegan, and nevertheless, regardless of how many nerves of non-vegans on Hexbear are struck, this is supposed to be a space where staunch ethical vegans in favor of total animal liberation can express their ideology without the typical divisiveness that comes with many leftist discussions of veganism.
The sidebar literally says that carnists, apologists, and babysteppers are just flat-out not allowed. This comm is intended to be a vegan space for and by vegans, and for carnists like yourself to barge into a space that's not for them at all every time their destructive habits receive criticism from an ideological portion of Hexbear that is welcome and protected by the Hexbear Code of Conduct is the reason why I made this post to fucking begin with.
Your perspective on there being some grand material difference between posting "anti-carnist" content and "pro-vegan" content is deeply unserious, but since you're clearly not vegan (meaning you're violating the rules of the comm), I'm not expecting you to understand even the most basic premises of promoting animal liberation. This type of take is about as productive as saying posts shouldn't be "anti-capitalist," and they should just be "communist" instead.
You are the exact kind of carnist my original post is talking about, accusing me of "insulting" people like you and "picking fights" when you people, by this community's very own rules, are not even supposed to engage in the first place.
If it's truly a bother, comrade, click away because you're not doing any favors otherwise. Regardless if I post 1 rant, 2 rants, 3 rants, or whatever about non-vegans, the points you are making hold zero substance when you consider the true nature of this scenario.
Unbearably cringe and embarrassing comment
Thanks for that
What is this comment trying to accomplish, other than picking a fight to prove the point of the post? Even if what you say is true (no desire to check), a huge part of being vegan is dealing with the frustrations of living in a non-vegan society. This is supposed to be a safe space to vent about those frustrations. You should respect that.