The problem with liberal democracies isn't that representatives are elected, its who those politicians represent. It's not the working class, except when it is and those politicians get Salvador Allende'd 💀.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Still, better to vote for the candidate that will ensure that forms of political action besides voting will continue to be legal

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Funny use of the word "ensure".

[–] Buttermilk@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

Listen Jack, the schools need riot police to ensure the safety of their lawns.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Every election is important, if they weren't why even hold an election?

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

In US politics it's always "if the dems don't win, then it's the end of the free world".

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 months ago

Remember last time? You guys got pretty close to an actual real life coup d’etat. How many more constitutional crises do you think you can dodge?

You bet your ass the next VP candidate will be vetted to “do the right thing”.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not the free world; just America as a mostly-free state.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Lol. As if the dems don't slide into fascism. Cop City is bi-partisan.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Best not to vote then? Best to let the guy win who has promised on the campaign trail to make the lives of trans people, women, immigrants, basically everyone who isn't a straight white male, as miserable as he possibly can, and not put up even a token resistance against Israel, because the other guy isn't resisting Israel as hard as we'd like and is therefore just as bad?

I hate Biden too but not voting is not the solution.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago

I hate Biden too but not voting is not the solution.

Never claimed it was.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -2 points 6 months ago

Incomplete sentence.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You're not going to take any action to make things better during those 4 years? Why not?

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I wonder how many of the "vote blue no matter who" crowd participate in direct action.

[–] null@slrpnk.net -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Well, well, well. If it isn't the exact non-answer I was expecting to get from that question. (Albeit with more spelling mistakes)

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not from the US, smartypants.

To answer your question: Electoralism is IMHO a waste of time. I'd ratherbe politically active e.g. in a union.

[–] null@slrpnk.net -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not from the US, smartypants.

So? You're snarkily commenting on the actions of a US citizen.

The fact remains that there's work to be done by the people and it will either happen under Biden or Trump.

One of those options is clearly more inhabitable than the other.

You being from another country and sowing political discord isn't the gotcha you think it is.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

So? You're snarkily commenting on the actions of a US citizen.

You were asking me what I was about to do in the coming 4 years, probably concerning US politics.

The fact remains that there's work to be done by the people and it will either happen under Biden or Trump.

Again: You were adressing me.

One of those options is clearly more inhabitable than the other.

It's not about inhability. It's about a system that's in constant peril of sliding into fascism isn't worth defending.

You being from another country and sowing political discord isn't the gotcha you think it is.

I'm not trying to do that. This is an international meme community about politics (nowhere it's specified that it's exclusively about US politics). If I'm not allowed to show my political beliefs here: where can I show them?

Trust me: I'd rather no nothing about the politics of that failed state. But here we are with the world police noticing that it has - like all police - a fascism problem. 🙄

[–] null@slrpnk.net -5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You were asking me what I was about to do in th coming 4 years, probably concerning US politics.

Yeah, shame on me for assuming you were commenting on something that mattered to you. Egg on my face for not recognizing that you're just cackling from the sidelines.

It's not about inhability. It's about a system that's in constant peril of sliding into fascism isn't worth defending.

Then you're either saying there's no way to fix that system (which is pointless and petulant). Or that there's work to do beyond voting to make those fixes (which, see my previous comment)

I'm not trying to do that.

Then frankly, it's not clear what you're actually trying to do. Whatever it is, its coming off as pointless and annoying at best and deliberately divisive at worst.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Then you're either saying there's no way to fix that system (which is pointless and petulant).

I beg to differ: POSIWID

The system is beyond saving and is working as intended. Build dual power outside of electoralism. Incidently: that's what I'm planning to do.

[–] null@slrpnk.net -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Fancy, semantic way of getting right back to my point which was "this system bad > change to different system".

Is that clearer for you?

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Only until you vote in better people. Then it's a periodic duty to pick the course of your country.

Like we could do too if we got rid of the bathroom fixation and all the anti-science pro-oil blowhards and hillbillies.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago

Only until you vote in better people.

I wont hold my breath