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I'll throw that baby out with the bathwater to be honest.
Simulated crimes aren't crimes. Would you arrest every couple that finds health ways to simulate rape fetishes? Would you arrest every person who watches Fast and The Furious or The Godfather?
If no one is being hurt, if no real CSAM is being fed into the model, if no pornographic images are being sent to minors, it shouldn't be a crime. Just because it makes you uncomfortable, don't make it immoral.
Or, ya know, everyone who ever wanted to decapitate those stupid fucking Skyrim children. Crime requires damaged parties, and with this (idealized case, not the specific one in the article) there is none.
Those were demon children from hell (with like 2 exceptions maybe). It was a crime by Bethesda to make them invulnerable / protected by default.
If they were, any one who's played games is fucked. I'm confident everyone who has played went on a total ramapage murdering the townfolk, pillaging their houses and blowing everything up....in Minecraft.
They would though. We know they would because conservatives already did the whole laws about how you can have sex in private thing.
Artistic CSAM is definitely a crime in the United States. PROTECT act of 2003.
People have only gotten in trouble for that when they're already in trouble for real CSAM. I'm not terrible interested in sticking up for actual CSAM scum.
Directly contradicted by the Ashcroft decision two years prior.
If no real child is involved in any way, who is hurt?
For now, if you read the article, it states that he shared the pictures to form like minded groups where they got emboldened and could support each other and legitimize/normalize their perverted thoughts. How about no thanks.
wrong comment chain. people weren't talking about the criminal shithead the article is about but about the scenario of someone using (not csam trained) models to create questionable content (thus it is implied that there would be no victim). we all know that there are bad actors out there, just like there are rapists and murderers. still we dont condemn true crime lovers or rape fetishists until they commit a crime. we could do the same with pedos but somehow we believe hating them into the shadows will stop them somehow from doing criminal stuff?
And I'm using the article as an example of that it doesn't just stop at "victimless" images, because they are not fucking normal people. They are mentally sick, they are sexually turned on by the abuse of a minor, not by the minor but by abusing the minor, sexually.
In what world would a person like that stop at looking at images, they actively search for victims, create groups where they share and discuss abusing minors.
Yes dude, they are fucking dangerous bro, life is not fair. You wouldn't say the same shit if some one close to you was a victim.
Maybe you should focus your energy on normalized things that actually effect kids like banning full contact sports that cause CTE.
What do you mean focus your energy, how much energy do you think I spend on discussing perverts? And what should I spend my time discussing contact sports. It's sound like you are deflecting.
Pedophiles get turned on abusing minors, they are mentally sick. It's not like its a normal sexual desire, they will never stop at watching "victimless" images. Fuck pedophiles they don't deserve shit, and hope they eat shit he rest of their lives.
How is that different from any other dangerous fetish? Should we be arresting adult couples that do Age Play? All the BDSM communities? Do we even want to bring up the Vore art communities? Victimless is victimless.
No because its two consenting adults otherwise its illegal. Wtf is vore art, not going to google that. How do you know it's victimless. Like I said they are turned on by abusing minors, and don't know how else I can put it, I can't be more clear.
Let me ask you this, do you think pedophiles care about their victims? If yes, then I want to hear why you think that. If no, why are we even having this argument?
Your ultimatum is flawed. Do you believe humans have impulse control? Yes or No.
I haven't given you a ultimatum I gave you a question, and you can answer it anyway you want. Do or can pedophiles feel remorse for their victims? Are there pedophiles who feel remorse for their victims but still abuse children?
But let me say this again, pedophiles have no remorse towards their victims, they get turned on by it, I'm trying to tell you it's not a just a sexual desire. They like the abuse part of it, abusing some one helpless, that is why they are turned on by abusing children.
Bro I can't continue this, you're not willing to understand it's not about the kid, it is about abusing the kid, that is what they want. And if you can't rigster that it's not just a sexual desire, then we can agree to disagree.
You're correct, pedophilia is a mental illness. A very tragic one since there is no hope and no cure. They can't even ask for help because everyone will automatically assume they are also child molesters. Which is what you're describing, but not all child molesters are pedophiles, and most pedophiles will never become child molesters... Like you said, some people just get off on exploiting the power dynamic and aren't necessarily sexually attracted to children. Those people are the real danger.
Real children are in training data regardless of if there is csam in the data or not (which there is a high chance there is considering how they get their training data) so real children are involved
I've already stated that I do not support using images of real children in the models. Even if the images are safe/legal, it's a violation of privacy.
Nobody is arguing that it's moral. That's not the line for government intervention. If it was then the entire private banking system would be in prison.