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True dat
Debatable but yeah you could make a pretty strong case. Certainly that's one of their core missions if not the core mission.
You fund them, through taxes, if you live in the US
Oh wait, you might say, that's different because I don't really have a choice because of etc etc
How does it feel funding a fascist organization?
Citation needed
Are you suggesting that there are empty ICE detention facilities somewhere, that aren't holding any migrants so that they can be deliberately put into only a few of them?
Or that they're all full and there is money to build more / staff more that's just not being touched on purpose, because ICE cares so much about being cruel that they're forgoing hiring more people and adding more hours just so they can run a smaller operation?
They don't really have a shortage of ways to be cruel, even if there were no overcrowding.
This all sounds like all assertion no citation, to me.
Actually family separation (rather starting a task force to find the families of the separated kids) was one of the first reversals of Trump's policies that Biden did but there are a whole bunch of them. The separation was already stopped because it was too horrifying even for US immigration authorities, but the kids were still in custody with no effort to give them back to their parents until Biden. It was like one of his first things he did.
No idea why you're so committed to rocking back and forth chanting to yourself, Biden's a bad man, Biden's a bad man, Biden's a bad man. You can talk about Gaza and find no shortage of terrible things he did; you don't have to react to something factual by just starting to chant it again in every case.
Biden has resumed deportation flights to Haiti despite protests from the UN Refugee Agency and others:
The Biden administration is choosing to hold asylum seekers in detention while their case goes through the system instead of just processing them and releasing them with a court date as was the standard practice before Trump. That is why the number of detainees is ballooning:
This policy has been protested by Human Rights Watch, Amensty International, and a slew of other organizations:
Rights Groups Oppose President Biden's Expansion of ICE Detention:
So, there is so much here that it's a little hard to respond to without taking a big chunk of my day to do a bunch of research. But looking over it to some extent, it looks to me like I pretty much already gave my quick take on it:
Part of the Democratic immigration plan is to boost resources for ICE ... and increase the number of judges to clear the backlog, which will decrease that side of the misery. Part of the plan is to deliberately increase the cruelty in some parts of the system ... so that the Republicans will make a deal and actually pass the thing.
As an example here's what the HRW article says:
I honestly just don't have much reaction to add to this besides what I said up above. They're not remarking on the massive backlog of people (including the people waiting on the Mexican side of the border, which is a significant source of suffering, since unlike people in custody there's no particular guarantee of food, water, or sanitation while they're just camping there for months and months). They're not wrong about the compromises Biden has been making with the Republicans, and the increased cruelty that's being allowed into the system as a result, though. They're not remarking at all on the things in Biden's proposals that will reduce the misery (increasing judges being the main one) -- which is fine, I mean, it's not their job to come up with explanations for why something might be inhumane; they're just pointing out that it's terrible and asking that he fix it. But like I say, it seems like anything whether cruel or mixed or beneficial that Biden tries to do now is going to be blocked by the Republicans, so it's all moot.
I'm just not sure how you take away from all of that any kind of conclusion that 100% of it is Biden's favorite thing (as opposed to something dictated in part by circumstances or Republican maliciousness), or that it doesn't matter whether it's Biden or Republicans because they're all the same.
It is undesirable that politicians use our tax money this way, yes. This is a pretty dumb attempt at a semantic "gotcha" given that I'm here literally criticizing the Democrats for helping fund ICE.
Yes. They are my tax dollars. No, I do not want them spent that way. The Democrats do want to spend them on fascist shit. Do you understand how that works? How not supporting a thing is not the same as supporting it?
Conservative post-truth bullshit has really scrambled people's brains.
No, I'm suggesting that the entire idea behind the mass detainment is false and cruel, that it doesn't matter how much money you give ICE they will not use it to try to fix the problem that they have intentionally created because they are a racist organization created explicitly to brutalize brown immigrants and migrants.
Like, your fascist brain can't even wrap itself around the fact that maybe there's some other reality here besides the one right-wingers have been portraying for the past twenty years.
Your rhetoric is quite literally indistinguishable from that of a MAGA supporter.
My point is that whether you say you "want" to support it or not, you are.
Similarly, whether or not Biden "wants" to support it, he's embedded in a system that sometimes might do things he doesn't want. In particular, on immigration, a lot of it is in the hands of people in congress who are explicitly malicious.
I'm not trying to excuse him for anything, and he's obviously in a better position to influence the system than you are. But, just like you not wanting your tax dollars to fund something you don't want doesn't really change whether it happens (and so, you are funding a fascist organization), Biden wanting the immigration policy to be one way or another doesn't really mean anything if congress is setting rules that he doesn't want.
I don't think it's a secret that the Republicans have been pushing for more explicit cruelty in our system and Biden has been compromising with them in order to try to accomplish other things (some of which are good things for people), even knowing that some of what comes in might be bad, in the same way that you might pay your taxes even knowing that some of what it's funding is bad.
Surely makes sense? Maybe not, IDK; apparently my brain is scrambled. But to me the analogy seemed to be pretty understandable.
You caught me man. If there's one thing that's a common thread in all of my comments it's love for the right-wing reality and MAGA style rhetoric. Go back and read my comments about ICE and imagine them on Truth Social, and they'd fit right in.
During Biden's campaign in 2020, he promised "there will not be another foot of wall constructed in my administration." But then he waived two dozen laws to continue constructien on the border wall, including the Endangered Species Act, the Clean Water Act and other environmental protections. [pbs]
Biden maintained Trump’s Title 42 policy, which expelled asylum seekers under the pretext of protecting public health, for more than two years after taking office, even as the ACLU was suing to put an end to the policy.
He also chose to adopt a reworked version of another Trump immigration policy innovation, prompting more lawsuits:
Under Biden, ICE's use of solitary confinement violates its own policies and constitutes torture according to the standards published by UN experts:
Under Biden, ICE has ignored the documented unsafe conditions in detention facilities it contracts with leading to multiple deaths of detainees: