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The US has imposed 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs, and the EU is considering increasing its tariffs. I'm sympathetic to the worker/industry protection argument, but many people will look at decent EVs being sold in China for $15,000 & feel they are being cheated.
Don't forget...majority wouldn't also use an operating system designed by China, but they have no issues payi g for the same thing in a car with multiple cameras driving around.
People are really starting to lose their minds with these EVs and China..
Well local companies refuse to sell us small cars. What are we supposed to do?
I dunno, I bought a small car in the last 12..zero issues in finding one or paying for it.
What kind?
really?
Even if you take this at face value, the article is talking about western auto makers being supplied by what are presumably the same supply chains as Chinese auto makers. So they are both presumably profiting off of slave labor. It's already well documented in many industries that western companies profit from slave labor both abroad and in the US with no lasting repercussions. So it really doesn't seem like slave labor would set China apart.
The next complaint is that they are undercutting other companies. What's the problem here? You get cheaper cars across the board because western auto makers have to lower their prices. Given their massive profits, I see no problem in cutting into those so the people get a better deal.
Another complaint I've seen here is the source of the operating system. Do you want a Chinese company spying on you or a US company spying on you? Does it make a difference and if it does, who is more likely to be able to take action on you because of the data they've collected? I think your domestic companies and government pose a bigger threat for spying (this includes China for those living in China).
Considering all the recent news and reviews of the EVs coming out of China, what's the real downside?
Most of what I see boils does to yellow peril bullshit while western governments protect the massive profits and enshitification of western brands at our expense.
Nice xenophobia, nice homophobia, can we get a hat trick in one post? Human Rights Watch? The people who get their information from Radio Free Asia and Adrian fucking Zenz? That white settler propaganda rag? Okay cac, you don't have shit that's provable lmfao. Only in Amerika can you see some hookass settler getting up in arms about nonexistent slave labor in another country when the Amerikan settler's whole fucking LIFE runs on wage slavery, carceral slavery, and child abuse.
Reported for being the way that you are. You didn't answer my question, either: isn't the whole point of capitalism to either compete, or be destroyed? You simp for motherfuckers who can't even play the game anymore; and I look forward to watching their-- and your-- encroaching irrelevance.
Nice photoshop, premium; you know copies of that video exist on the western clearnet, right? Shoutouts to my boy davel.
I fuckin hate racist-ass yankees who act like they don't routinely do worse and then lie on the people they're getting outcompeted by.
And while I'm at it, I want an explanation as to how this request for evidence, and question as to what capitalists really believe in is "low-quality". Is it because Futurology's mods want to minimize checking these wretched-assed crackers on their blatant xenophobia? What made this "low-quality"?
I haven't had time to look into detail, but are the tariffs for complete vehicles only, or for parts (e.g. batteries) too? Any decent links or blogs (preferably not news sites) to get a neutral overview?
Yes it affects parts too, at least batteries. Stifling electric car production isn't enough, ebikes get caught in the crossfire too.
https://arstechnica.com/?p=2026997
So, from a linked article to the one you sent, it looks like batteries themselves are included in the tarrifs
https://www.wired.com/story/new-ev-china-tariffs-biden/
But from the link you sent, for ebikes it appears only their batteries are included and complete bikes are not clearly defined (which I would assume to be not explicitly included at this stage)?
How do they expect an EV transition with 80% of the companies building them under tariff, and the ones people can afford also under tariff. You need to get product in the hands of the consumer.. I propose that since no US makers are in the under $20k MSRP range for EV then we should relax tariffs on vehicles in that price range. This will get product into consumer hands, keep Chinese car prices down, and ensure GM, and such profits from their nasty huge SUV and trucks.
No, slavery and dealing with oppressive totalitarian regimes is never okay.