World News
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
view the rest of the comments
I would wager that if you told most people there was a school shooting and if they asked you how many children died and you said, "none, the school was empty at the time," they'd say you were being a dick by making them upset because they thought someone had killed a bunch of kids.
Well yes, but thats how they count school shootings, or at least in the US. You have to realize that most people counting school shootings are incentivized to inflate the numbers as much as possible. The number of students actually shot in school shootings is a magnitude lower than the number of school shootings.
Imo, number of students shot in school shootings is a much better metric than just school shootings by itself.
Can you show me where it says that is how a school shooting is counted in the U.S.?
There's no uniform definition, but groups with an agenda will count any discharge of a firearm on property owned by a school as a school shooting regardless of circumstances.
One notorious case was a person who committed suicide in the parking lot of a closed down school. It happened in the middle of the night and classes hadn't been held in that building for years. Advocacy groups still counted it.
NPR did a whole investigation into over reporting in 2018. Here's a link:
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent
You said, and I quote:
This certainly implies that there is a uniform definition.
If you meant that certain specific groups with certain biases define a school shooting as any shooting that happens involving a school, including ones when the building is empty, you should have said it.
Also, from your article:
So it sounds like "they," when you said, "Well yes, but thats how they count school shootings, or at least in the US." are the different many school districts in the country and they don't all count them the same way.
Basically, your claim seems to be some groups or other, which you have not named, define school shootings in a stupid way.
Very informative.
Fuck me for trying to answer your question, I guess.
My question was regarding your initial statement. You did answer it. Your answer is that by "The school doesnt have to be open or have any students on campus to be consideeed a school shooting," what you meant was, "according to certain unnamed groups with an agenda I have not stated, it counts as a school shooting when the building is empty."
So, again, thanks. Very informative about the unnamed groups with the unstated agenda.
You ever think of switching to decaf?
Congratulations on being the first user I block on Lemmy.
He wasnt the same user, I am.
Okay, then can you show me where?
Can you tell me how many school shootings there have been in the US while schools were closed?
Im guessing the number is very low if not 0.
Not casualties is not the same as shooting at an empty building
Its not zero, I can tell you that much. And the definition used by federal government includes closed schools, also buses and any other school property regardless of status. Someone brandishes a gun at the school bus depot, thats a school shooting.
"a gun is brandished, is fired, or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims (including zero), time, day of the week, or reason."
https://www.chds.us/sssc/methods/
I have not been able to find an answer to the question you won't answer
Its only the gun grabbers spending resources to track school shootings. Nobody is telling you how many have zero causalities because no one is spending the resources to find out.