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Why would Joe Biden order the IDF to do this
Why would he continue sending them bombs
Because it's US policy.
US law is not to give weapons to countries that are using them to violate human rights.
I don't think you have any clue what the laws are.
Ah, but I do:
And now you do, too.
You're quoting a law that doesn't apply here because US laws exist to be selectively enforced in the interests of the US. It sucks, but it's been this way since at least WWII. Unless the Secretary of State decides to break decades of bipartisan support for Israel, this law is meaningless.
I dont think you have any clue what the laws are -> well achshually laws don't mean anything. Fucking incredible
Now you're getting it. This isn't an argument. It's an education on how government really works. If Biden was breaking a law, Republicans would immediately pounce to impeach him. But there hasn't been a peep from them. So, no law is being broken.
No its a meaningless rhetorical game where you move the goalposts
No moving the goalposts. There's a great distance between where people believe the goalposts are (or should be) and where they are in reality. The US has interests greater than simple humanitarian concerns and those laws are never applied unless it's in the US's interest to do so.
For example: Saudi Arabia. They're basically a terrorist state, but the US is buddies with them for access to their oil and to have a friend in the region to be a check against Iran. Haven't they been complicit in the famine in Yemen. No one gave Trump any shit for supporting them.
Suddenly, here's Biden continuing longstanding US policy and you all act like he's a genocidal madman. Where were you when the people of Yemen were starving? You people said nothing. But now it's suddenly an issue because it's a Democrat in the Whitehouse. Or is it because it's Israel rather than a Muslim nation?
The goalposts never moved, you just kept imagining them to be where you wanted them to be. Reality is what it is until someone changes it for the better. Vote locally and focus on the change at the bottom if you want to see change at the top.
Then you will be able to quote whichever law is tying Biden's hands here.
Policy is not necessarily backed by law. The US supports Israel because they're a friendly power in the Middle East. It's in the interests of the US to have friends in oil-rich regions. Israel is a check against aggressive Muslim nations (e.g. Iran).
Given that Christianity is playing far too big a role in politics, it makes sense that Christians would more closely align with Jews than Muslims.
So Biden's hands aren't tied, and you're just pretending they are.
You don't understand anything about politics or geopolitical. Glad we've cleared that up.
"You don't know how anything works!"
Centrist for "You didn't immediately accept my shitty excuses."
What did he mean by "red line" do you suppose?
"We will never forget the images emerging from Rafah tonight. Human beings, including babies, were burned alive and torn apart. This genocide must end, it must end now," said one group.
Yea, but you failed to answer the question.
At which point did Joe call up the pilots and pass grid coords to drop the bombs?
But blame where it belongs.
Biden didn't order this, but he had to know that giving money to Israel would cause this. If he didn't, he's a complete fool. We hope this will provoke Biden to declare war on Israel and order destruction of military targets belonging to the IDF, but it probably won't, and if it doesn't, well that's hypocrisy.
If only diplomacy was that straightforward…
Israel doesn’t need the money in order to keep doing what they’re doing. USA needs a middle eastern ally more than Israel needs the USA.
Ukraine, however, would collapse if it weren’t for the money USA is providing (allowing with many other countries).
This bill that was signed to send money to Israel also provided money to Ukraine. You would not get one without the other.
Not at all. Israel has been a liability for US policies not a bonus. Israeli actions undermined US efforts in Iraq and undermined US-Iranian diplomacy. The US defending Israel has generated ill will worldwide, undermined US rhetoric and soft power, and made the US the source of terrorist attacks. What have we gotten from it? Does Israel help in Iraq or Afghanistan wars? Does it vote the way we want at the UN? No and no.
Something between 'supplying the bombs used for genocide' and 'declaring war on Israel' would be just right
edit: a surprising amount of disagreement with this comment
Mental gymnastics to try to justify genocide? New lows of lemmy
Bizarre.
After years of not being successful with the hunter biden story trumpists are probably celebrating with how easy it is to turn people away from biden by just throwing shit about the Israel war at him to make it look as if he's somehow responsible for it...
From the party that brought you “Moving the American Embassy Israel” and “assassinating a high ranking Iranian official” comes “Blame Joe Biden for everything”
From the party that brought you “we wish we could do something but the republicans won’t let us” comes “the republicans are worse, so what we’re doing is the best you’re going to get.”
Maybe we need another four years of Trump. Either way, fuck em, I’m not voting.
I'm used to hearing this from your kind, just not so mask-off.
6-3 republicans advantage in the Supreme Court (thanks to people like you for helping trump to win in 2016). 51-49 senate majority that republicans can easily filibuster anything from the democrats. Even if not, the house is with Republicans and recent gerrymandering has made it way more difficult for democrats to hold the house.
But you’re right, democrats are not being held back by republicans… Why not do [insert mythical strategy here]? It worked [never]!
I think part of the problem with democrats is that the party can more easily depend on middle ground/conservative voters than they can depend on liberals actually voting for them.
I prefer to think of it as "buying time to actually fix shit" because it's easier to patch up small holes than huge holes that are constantly getting larger
It’s always easier when the problem identifies itself, as you just have.
Bingo! That’s precisely it.
As long as Joe is the bad guy to them congress and the media can use that as cover to do whatever they want
This may blow your mind but not all of us who soured on Biden are Republican plants.
No of course not - some are just falling for the Republican plants
Blue MAGA can't comprehend that. It's binary for them. Red team vs Blue team.
The fact you think anyone in this thread is justifying a genocide paints a clear picture that you aren't here to discuss in good faith.
This a sockpuppet account for .ml or hexbear?
"who committed this crime?"
"You'll never get me, with your mEnTaL gYmNaStIcS!!!1"
"Said one group." That language is suspiciously vague. Do you know what group said that quote?