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President Joe Biden calls on LGBTQ+ community ‘to wave their flags of pride high’ this June
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Although downvotes are not everything and maybe Lemmy skews one way.
I do have to ask, looking back now considering you got ratio’d. Do you take a look at your argument and see if perhaps you’re incorrect or just double down?
Not trying to call you out here. Just wondering how people with completely differing thoughts on a topic look back at them.
Clearly here it isn’t up for debate that Reps control the legislation and not the Democratic president, so your last comment is wild to me.
Only addressing your point on what downvotes mean as a reflection of understanding:
Idk about you, but I have had posts/ comments in the past that have had massive downvotes, but I also am confident in those takes because I've either studied them for my degree or I'm a professional in the field and have first hand experience. Sometimes the mob is wrong.
For instance, I am a music teacher, and understand how difficult it can be when two kids come to you crying after some incident, and while trying to manage a whole classroom I have to make a judgement call on who and how to discipline within 30 seconds. When I've said "hey I'm sorry your teacher punished you when you were the one bullied, but they also didn't have the resources and frankly we're not omnipotent, this is more of an issue administration has power over" I got down voted to hell.
That said, when my takes have consistently been downvoted to hell over a period of months, I would likely take a deeper dive. My degree was political science, and I had a harsh take on FDR, and while I still feel he's a bit overrated, I recognize I was leaning into him deeper than needed.
No. “But it could be worse” is a stupid argument that glosses over a president that’s been pretty shitty in response to a tidal wave of hate towards the lgbtq community during his administration. And I’m not going to sit here and pretend otherwise.
And for anyone else who wants to pretend, that’s all you’re doing. Pretending
You’re missing the point. They’re pointing out that Biden, as shit as he is and genocide supporting, is literally powerless to pass laws with a Republican legislature. Like it is literally impossible, you see that right.
it's also proven to be impossible when democrats control the legislature; democrats aren't the answer
What’s proven to impossible? Do new laws never get passed.
The lives of the LGBTQ+ community is infinitely better than it was when I was growing up in the 90’s, that’s called progress and I for one am supportive of those changes. Sure we can do more, but pretending things have not improved is just crazy.
things improved in spite of biden et al; not because of them.
Well if you’re not going to give props to ANY president for any positive changes, how on earth can you shit on them for any negative changes.
The dissonance here is pretty staggering don’t you think?
the only dissonance here is refusing to accept the that he was instrumental in putting us in this situation in the first place and believing that the token gestures he's given makes up for all of it.
Im going to need some examples here fam cause im not entirely sure what you’re actually talking about specifically.
here you go:
biden voted against gay marriage
biden voted against gays in the military
biden affirmed his stance on anti-gay marriage in 2006
biden supported banning gays in federal service eg executive order 10450
Dude you’re pulling up voting records from a decade ago and one in the 1970’’s. Sure it’s wild, but how about this executive order From two years ago
Way to cherry pick your sources, ignoring the one that supersedes the others ones.
To be clear Biden is a cunt, but even a cunt appears to have grown over time.
You guys love your constitution so much but forget it was written by racist slave owning bigots.
You’ve actually helped to prove my point that things now are better for us in the LGBTQ+ community than it ever has been, had you had Trump in office right now you think it would be better. The Republicans don’t even agree with women having control over their reproductive rights for fucks same.
Democrats are shit, republicans are worse. That’s your choice. Pick one. If you can’t then don’t blame me that you have a two party system.
I’m not missing anything and this has nothing to do with genocide. He did more as VP by just standing up and speaking out. Now, he’s been practically silent.
And I don’t need apologists like you lecturing me on how the government works.
Just because you're not listening doesn't mean he's not speaking.
Whatever dude.
Have a wonderful weekend.
Centrists gonna centrist. They're mad at reality. I'm the king of the downvotes in this sub haha
I’m not a centrist. I just don’t believe Biden should get credit where it’s not due. As vice president he engaged in plenty of LGBTQ advocacy. Not so much as president.
I'm saying a lot of the mad replies are centrists. I agree with your comments.
I apologize. I’ve been getting nothing but pushback here (as you see), and I confused your reply for that.
Look, we have VP Biden to thank for Obama going full-in on LGBTQ policy support. But where is that same gusto, that fervor with President Biden?
Nowhere.
The best he’s done is to reinstate or reconstruct Obama-era policies that MAGAts tore up, but only barely, and he’s done absolutely nothing to push things further. Worse, in the face of the worst onslaught against LGBTQ rights in decades, he’s all but silent.
I understand that the president isn’t an emperor and cannot simply dictate laws, but he can stand up and speak out. Obama did. Once, even Biden did. He did that a lot as vice president. Yet, as president, he has done absolutely none of that for the last four years, and it’s a sickening disappointment.