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They're doing this because they're German, and they are trying to influence politics in the place they live.
Also, the person you talked to seems to think the Holocaust was solely a genocide of Jews with a comment like that. Any of those eight could have been Roma, LGBT+, disabled... all kinds of possibilities.
Israel wants to be connected to the Holocaust in a deeper way than it should be. And I say that as a Jewish person.
The persons great grandfather died in Auschwitz because he was fighting for a independent Silesia.
But yeah, ...
Cool. Half my family died in the Holocaust. I still don't associate it with 2024 Israel like Netanyahu wants.
Are you saying German holocaust survivers should only protest German fashists and not Israeli fashists because if they do then they associate the Holocaust with Israel and thus help Netanjahu with it?
I have a hard time understanding your position.
Why exactly would Israelis care what they had to say? Unless the answer is "because they're Jews and the Holocaust is a Jewish thing," I can't think of a reason.
I mean this is still about the EU-elections and not Germany specific. The far right is a huge problem in all of Europe and some of the worst already dictator like fascists like Orban not only seek to actively undermine the EU wherever they can, but they’re also best buddies with Israeli politicians.
I think it’s important to remember as you said that the holocaust wasn’t only about Jews and that Zionism doesn’t equate Judaism, but to draw a connection between fascists in Europe and fascists in Israel who happen to commit genocide right now doesn’t seem so far fetched in general.
For the same reason young Germans should care. For the same reason everyone should care. Because fascism is bad and everyone should listen to these people and vote against it. Op simply pointed out that there's a pretty fascistic government in power right now in Israel and hopefully the youth(and everyone else for that matter) will take some inspiration and vote against it.
At least that's what I take from that.
We're not talking about "should," are we?
My bad. You're right. Then yeah, no, they wouldn't. Cause the message won't reach the most of them. They would care if they understood that these people are survivors of a different fascist government. They're what Palestinians might be 80 years from now. It's history. Except they can learn it from living people instead of books.
I agree. Also, if I were an Israeli who agreed with the genocide (I'm not and I absolutely don't) and German Holocaust survivors came to me to tell me that they survived a genocide and they know how bad genocide is and this is a genocide and it needs to stop, I would probably think that this is a different situation and they don't know because they don't live here. It's pretty easy to dismiss something like this if you're determined to go ahead with an atrocity.
Of course. But the more people(and different people too, not just journalists and politicians) tell them, the more likely it is for the message to finally go through
Oh there's a simple reason why Israelis should care: Because sliding into fascism is a calamity for everyone, yes, also for the perpetrating people. Maybe that's what all this is about, they want to understand that through personal experience. Ride the death drive for a while.
My thinking was in the lines why they are doing in Germany too. They say look what the fashists did, never again! Same message would make sense in today's Israel too.
That's good, I'm just hoping they could go together with the holocaust survivers who live in Israel and be role models there too, god knows we need them there too.