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You sure about that? Because there's plenty of people living on welfare who never make it anywhere.
Tell me you know nothing about welfare without saying you know nothing about welfare.
I've met and worked with enough people on welfare to know they're not innocent angels for the most part.
I never said they were, but if you really did work with people on welfare then you'd know they aren't getting anything for free. After you qualify for welfare most forms are aggressively measured against the exact amount they think you need to stay housed and fed. And that amount is almost always less than what's really required. So there's no overage to take advantage of, no house you can rent and sublet, and selling furniture on Craigslist doesn't count as being employed for the work requirement. Further you're not getting a break for your medical problems. You can't just pull the ripcord and go back to being a millionaire. You have to tough it out on your job after the hospital stabilized you and turfed you like they do to all Medicaid patients.
But no go on about their "character" and how they have to act like angels in the system currently crushing them beneath it's bootheels.
Okay, look. Attacking their character was uncalled for and I apologize for that. I've met some fairly awful people who were on welfare but also some really good ones.
But the point is, you said "anyone can be successful if they aren’t paying for shit" and I gave you an example of people where that's largely not the case. Doesn't matter if that's because of illness, disability, or character flaws, "anyone" means "anyone". So shut up and just admit you were wrong.
No. The point is people on welfare are paying for shit. This guy didn't even pay for his housing. Nobody is getting free housing from the government unless they're a 90 year old veteran in a VA Hospice facility.
You also didn't give any examples. So no I'm not just going to go away.
Okay, well you made the thesis that anyone can be successful if they aren't paying for shit, so the burden of proof is on you, not me. And you don't even seem to believe it yourself, because you said here that there's always idiots who will fail no matter what.
Sounds like you already destroyed your own argument, so I think we're done here. Have a good day.
I could just leave this, but I'm not that good of a person. Can you identify the difference between the words "can" and "will"?
Alright, so you admit that you were just arguing in bad faith then?
Because if that was what you intended to say all along, your statement is essentially meaningless, as it would basically read "anyone can make it if they aren't paying for shit, unless they fail".
Like I said, we're done here.
I'm not typing in French again am I?
It's pretty simple. You don't need to make a thesis out of it.
Yeah, not gonna play that game with you, sorry.