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You may have noticed a distinct lack of return2ozma. This is due to their admitting, in a public comment, that their engagement here is in bad faith:

I'm sure there will be questions, let me see if I can address the most obvious ones:

  1. Can I still post negative stuff about Biden?

Absolutely! We have zero interest in running an echo chamber. However, if ALL you're posting is negative, you may want to re-think your priorities. You get out of the world what you put into it and all that.

  1. Why now?

Presumption of innocence. It may be my own fault, but I do try to think the best of people, and even though they were posting negative articles, they weren't necessarily WRONG. Biden's poll numbers, particularly in minority demographics ARE in the shitter. They are starting to get better, but he still has a hell of a hill to climb.

  1. Why a 30 day temp ban and not a permanent ban?

The articles return2ozma shared weren't bad, faked, or from some wing-nut bias site like "beforeitsnews.com", they were legitimate articles from established and respected news agencies, pointing out the valid problems Biden faces.

The problem was ONLY posting the negatives, over and over and then openly admitting that dishonest enagement is their purpose.

Had they all been bullshit articles? It would not have taken anywhere near this much time to lay the ban and it would have been permanent.

30 days seems enough time for them to re-think their strategery and come back to engage honestly.

tl;dr - https://youtu.be/C6BYzLIqKB8#t=7s

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If that were true, I would have banned them AGES ago when people first started complaining about them.

It took 11 months to earn this ban, and a temp ban at that.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

given that their behavior has been the same this whole time, this doesn't hold water.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The behavior has been the same, what changed was the admission. Until then they had the benefit of doubt.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

nothing he was doing was bad faith. he was posting stories that were in no way a violation of the policies. he wasn't preventing others from doing the same with stories that he didn't think were worth his time to post.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Flooding the channel with negativity and admitting that's all they're interested in is bad faith.

It buries any positive news someone might like to post because all this user is interested in is the negative.

[–] VictoriaAScharleau@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

what do you think bad faith means? it has a specific meaning in regards to law, and a separate one in academic discussion (though they are close), but if your definition is custom fit for this sub and it's written in such a way that this thing that is not bad faith is going to be treated as bad faith, you should be explicit about that definition in the rules.