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[–] iamjackflack@lemm.ee 57 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I mean republicans would never let ANYONE who is a convicted felon be president if they are not republican. It’s not just a race thing.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It just about arguing in bad faith. You start with a conclusion you want in your mind, and then invent palatable excuses as to why that conclusion must be true.

It’s never been a logical route for their thoughts, just premise and emotion.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago

This is why playing the "Gotcha!" game with Republicans doesn't work, it's not that they have a flawed understanding of the world (They do, but that's not the point), it's that they will not interact with anything that isn't the conclusion they want.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It’s never been a logical route for their thoughts

I've seen a few logical routes. I just don't like where they ended.

"The Road to Serfdom", "Free to Choose", "Human Action", "7 Habits of Highly Effective People", and "God and Man at Yale" all spell out a coherent and concrete conservative ideology. But where do those thoughts ultimately terminate?

We get to an ecology strip minded to its foundation in pursuit of that next quarter of profit. We get a patriarchal household bordering on the autocratic. We get ethnic micro-states, forever at war with one another over every sleight or perceived grievance or heresy. We get cults of personality who drive self-aggrandized individuals this way and that in pursuit of some reward in the afterlife. We get a police state armed to the teeth lined up in front of a loudspeaker that insists we're all entitled to unlimited freedom.

The logic is sound, because the axioms are built to inform us that these outcomes are what we want. This is the best of all possible worlds, the most we can ever hope for. And if we are dissatisfied with our lots in life, it is only because we failed in our commitment to pursue the ideology to its logical ends.

If anything, I would argue that modern conservatism is too logical. It is a rigid algorithm that refuses to acknowledge anything outside of its program and initial parameters. Conservatism is the logic of a boulder hurtling down a hill and into a vast sea, all the while telling the folks captured within "This is the natural way of things and could never have been improved in the slightest."

It is the illogical utopian leftists who are charged with fishing the big rock out of the ocean and trying to push it back up the hill again.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 3 points 3 months ago

It is the illogical utopian leftists who are charged with fishing the big rock out of the ocean and trying to push it back up the hill again.

All while conservatives have chained it to the sea floor because "this is where it was intended to belong. It fell here so it was gods will."

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And if their candidate was black then they would support them

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You're making an assumption that they would have voted for a black candidate in the primaries.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

That's pretty much how I knew Ben Carson wasn't going to get the nomination in 2016, and his popularity surged exactly when I thought it would.. Televised debates. I bet you his voting block believed that a name like "Dr. Ben Carson" had to have been a whitey.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

People have ran and received votes in primaries before, Herman Cain is another name for the pot

Trump’s strongest opponent this time around was an Indian woman

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Both of those candidates lost, because people didn't vote for them.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Very good, you’re really smart

Now imagine something happened to their front runner and they had to drop to the next level

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If we're just playing imagination then anything is possible. I usually prefer to deal with reality.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Reality is that people are voting for them as is

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

LOL, nobody is voting for Herman Cain or Nikki Haley.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well one is dead so yeah but why would you straight up lie?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain_2012_presidential_campaign

Was a frontrunner

And Nikki Haley was polling ahead of Ted Cruz in the most recent primary

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Was until he was forced to drop out lol.

And Nikki Haley can't say the name of her opponent or her own birthname without losing points.