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I'm a leftist, and I vote for the lesser evil out of harm reduction, with no hope of positive change and just not to be indirectly responsible for there being more political scapegoating by fascists as we collapse due to ~~unchecked encouraged~~ worshipped capitalist greed.
I just wish the Neoliberals would stop pretending a vote for their cocktail of "socially left, economically whatever Wall Street wants" is going to fix anything. Its a vote for "this is fine." which is infinitely better than "hate race/religion/sexuality X, they're why you're miserable!" but still not helpful.
Most of the social issue symptoms we scream at each other about are either caused by or greatly exacerbated by the economy Americans don't get a vote on, as the Neoliberals and the fascists are looooong since legally bribed and paid for with the same economic policy marching orders.
I just wish we could be honest about our elections and what we do and don't get a choice on instead of the absolutely absurdist marketing, another side effect of our socioeconomic greed disease.
Do we want to collapse as we destroy our only habitat (for humans don't worry, even we can't sterilize the earth) and any societal framework between one another with(R) or without(D) a side of race/religious/gender equity wars in the streets being stoked by our greed class captured government?
That's all you have to say. Id rather not have that side dish, so I'm voting Biden again.
I'll vote for harm reduction if it comes down to it but if democrats want an endorsement they'll have to do more than what they're doing now.
I'm not obligated to encourage anyone to vote for the lesser evil so long as the lesser evil still has an opportunity to be less evil.
Wow. Literally saying the quiet part out loud - "As long as the Democrats are not 100% in line with my views, it's okay to endorse inaction and the takeover of a fascist regime on the pretext that the Democrats Aren't Good Enough(tm)"
Wow. Literally saying the quiet part out loud - "Some random bullshit I just made up that hardly resembles what you said"
What part of my comment was an endorsement of inaction?
A lack of endorsement for a thing =! endorsement for the opposite thing
Oh, when there are only two possible choices, it very much is, whether or not you want to confront that. If there is an infant drowning in an ankle-deep pool in front of you, doing anything other than saving the infant is endorsing its death.
Before you is a very simple and very easy choice - fascism, or non-fascism. Yet your kind reject non-fascism, every single time. Curious.
Actually in this context there's at least 4:
Nobody has actually 'voted' for a candidate yet, all anyone has done thus far is endorse or not endorse voting for a candidate. Just as a reminder:
Only because of the electoral college you're entirely wrong here.
There are only two choices.
There is no other option in the long run.
The electoral college hasn't met yet, nor have you or I voted yet.
All of which boil down to "Try to rescue the infant" or "Varying levels of letting the infant drown or hoping someone else will spontaneously see the infant and rescue them in your stead"
..... Is biden supposed to be the infant?
Democracy is. I didn't realize that this metaphor was getting too complex for you.
And me voicing criticism of democrats is me letting democracy drown?
I'm just trying to get you to be more direct with your metaphor is all.
From "I won't endorse anyone else voting Biden!" to "Voicing criticism". Funny how your position changes now that you're called out. Classic Motte and Bailey.
"I won't endorse voting for a lesser evil so long as the lesser evil has opportunity to be less evil"
"lol mOtTe AnD bAiLeY"
Yes, as pointed out, that's a convenient excuse to not endorse anti-fascism until it lines up perfectly with your view. But then you backtrack to 'Actually I'm just making criticism', which is quite distinctly contradictory.
But hey, since when are fascists internally consistent?
Only an American would think not endorsing a moderate candidate is the same as endorsement of fascism.
Classic pugjesus, accuse people of being fascists for not ignoring genocide (: fuckers like him make it really hard for me to justify voting liberal, I'm sure plenty of other leftists have been turned away bc of liberals trying to defend genocide for Biden's sake
The more he makes that accusation the more I think he's just using the threat of fascism to push his preferred politics and not actually concerned about fascism.
"We must vote fascism away" is not something I hear a lot of antifascists say but maybe he's in a more chill political environment than me.
The purpose of a system is what it does, and literally all I see from that user is shitting on leftists manically posting multi-paragraph arguments full of fallacies and half-truths every few minutes for literal hours every day. Oh, and maybe one “anti trump” post with 0 engagement.
Yknow, just what we emphatically agreed to ban that ozma poster for the other day except somehow it’s different this time.
Easy filter choice for me. Curate your internet folks!
"Well, I GUESS I'm anti-fascist, but not enough to actually support anti-fascism" - Definitely Not An Endorsement Of Fascism Winning
Just out of curiosity, what do you think anti-fascism looks like outside the context of a political campaign?
Someone vigorously voting for democrats wearing a black and red antifa flag isn't really what comes to mind for me but anti-fascist action looks different for everyone I guess.
Antifascism is multifaceted, but I think most genuine antifascists agree that letting fascism win is pretty antithetical to the whole 'anti' part of antifascism.
You're taking the easiest fucking part of not being a fascist - being a part of an anti-fascist coalition - and throwing a hissy fit over it. You want to get involved in mutual aid and direct action? Go off. Great, even.
But don't fucking sit here during the election and say having your thumb up your ass as a literal fascist gets into power is anything but endorsing the end result.
Good thing i'm not doing that, then.
"bUt YoU aReN't EnDoRsEiNg BiDeN!!"
Yea, no shit. He's actively supporting fascism in Israel, if I weren't voicing opposition on those grounds I wouldn't be considering myself antifascist.
Democrats haven't even held their convention yet, fuck you if you want me signing off on his platform and candidacy before then. From my perspective it's you who has their whole fucking fist up their ass.
Again, with the intentionally disingenuous conflation of 'voicing opposition' and 'not encouraging anyone to vote for'. Maybe if you say it a few dozen more times, it'll make you feel a little better about sitting by and letting the chips fall where they may vis a vis fascism in the US.
How does one protest against supporting a genocide without voicing opposition to supporting genocide?
You live in a strange world of double meanings.
Democrats have to be perfect. Republicans just have to be on the ballot.
That's why democrats cannot afford to be complacent.