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submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) by carlin@hexbear.net to c/main@hexbear.net

I'm going to post a couple links to sources for the next couple days to hopefully start a conversation in this space! These will fall in the area of Fat Studies and there's some norms you should be aware of:

  • "fat" is taken as a neutral descriptor, think of it as reclaiming the word.
  • "obese" arbitrarily medicalises fatness and Others fat people

I'm a cis man and I have (had) body image issues (in the past)

https://humanparts.medium.com/my-journey-toward-radical-body-positivity-3412796df8ff


I'm queer and fat

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yeefpijtl4s7orv/Flaunting%20Fat%20%E2%80%93%C2%A0Sex%20with%20the%20Lights%20On.pdf?dl=0


I'm queer and not fat

https://www.bitchmedia.org/post/fat-liberation-is-totally-queer


The others don't apply to me and/or I only have the energy/time to read one source

https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/everything-you-know-about-obesity-is-wrong/


:sankara-salute:

๐Ÿ‘‰ Part 2 is up

๐Ÿ‘‰ Part 3 is up

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[-] Kaputnik@hexbear.net 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

I think that Huffington Post article has some good points about how obesity should be addressed on a personal level and how the American medical system will never be able to actually address this issue. But I don't think they approach the weight/health problem very well. They mention that weight isn't inherently tied to health because 1/3 to 3/4 of obese patients may show no signs of high cholesterol or insulin resistance. However, obesity is like smoking in that you could take a cross section of smokers and find that a large portion of them are healthy. The real issue is that being obese or smoking are drastically increasing the odds of negative medical outcomes in the future.

[-] carlin@hexbear.net 0 points 3 years ago

I'll post some sources about BMI tomorrow, however I direct you to this study which shows that it's not as simple as fat = bad https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/02/health/study-suggests-lower-death-risk-for-the-overweight.html

[-] Kaputnik@hexbear.net 0 points 3 years ago

Oh I agree that you can't say fat=bad I was referring more to higher levels of obesity, which as that NYtimes article says is a large risk. The issue with that NYtimes article though is that the study isn't really drawing a meaningful conclusion. Saying mortality rate is the end all be all is very misleading. I'm hoping that's just an issue with the pop science reporting of the times and not the actual study, because the link to the actual study is dead.

[-] Bedulge@hexbear.net 1 points 3 years ago

The article seems to be referencing this study.

A study which is not uncontroversial.

[-] Kaputnik@hexbear.net 1 points 3 years ago

Ah yeah that's what I feared. It's similar to that study that was going around on reddit that claimed veganism is bad because vegans have a higher overall mortality rate but it also failed to take into account correlating factors. The amount of shitty science and shitty science reporting being done cannot be good for convincing the general public to trust the science of climage change.

[-] Bedulge@hexbear.net 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

I've been thinking about that a lot recently, esp in regards to covid. If you look hard enough, you should be able to find a study that says basically whatever you want, and if you cant find a study that says what you want, you should be able to find a study that you can creatively misinterpret into "saying" what you want it to.

And if you cant do that, you should be able to find some news article written by a clueless (or willfully dishonest) journalist/opinion columnist that says there's a study that says what you want it to say.

If you're some average person, how the hell are you supposed to make sense of it all? I'm not surprised at all that theres people that just shrug it all off completely and say that covid is hoax, or that climate change is fake or whatever.

I just spent like 10 mins on google and quickly found an article saying that being overweight is actually better than being "normal" weight, and another saying the opposite.

How am I, not being an expert on medicine, supposed to make sense of it?

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