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Does anything truly get better than moving soldiers around on a little map? (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 months ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works

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[–] Longpork3@lemmy.nz 8 points 5 months ago (12 children)

I mean, there was no such thing as a byzantine. That's a name we came up with in the modern era to help distinguish between "roman" empires.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (11 children)

To expand on that it was during the enlightenment in the early renaissance where people had a boner over the Roman Empire but still thought the medieval Roman Empire (Byzantine) to not be cool. So they came up with a new name for it. A declining empire that had a massive beauracracy, spoke Greek and had the wrong brand of Christianity (Orthodox) is not nice enough to create a glorious image like the Pax Romana did.

This of course made a lot of people upset in the then Ottoman empire since they identified as Romans but were not counted as Romans according to western people. Think "You're not Romans with a glorious history, you're Byzantines" even though they clearly were.

For extra fun the Byzantine/Roman distinction is also unfair.

Eastern Rome always spoke Greek, even at 200AD.
Orthodox and Catholic were the same pre-schism.
During the decline of the Western Empire the capital was moving a lot anyway so "based in Rome" was soon outdated.
During the decline Italy was just another province anyway so "based in Italy" was soon outdated.
They were literally the same thing except one half managed to fuck their shit up while getting invaded by hordes of tribes at the same time.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Fuck their shit up by inventing systemic racism

[–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Oh it's cute you think the Roman's invented that.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 5 months ago

I didn't say they were the first!

There are plenty of cultures that developed systemic racism independently, I don't want to diminish their shittiness.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Also very curious considering that racism as we would recognize it doesn't have its seeds planted until the 15th century AD.

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