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AI isn't yet slurping any significantly obscene amount of power from the grid, although as it gets more ubiquitous that will surely change. The individual data centers are massive things but they are outnumbered by orders of magnitude by all the rest of it
The big villain in senseless datacenter power usage is cryptocurrency
Plus most of the rest of it, of course, acres of racks burning through the world's resources to run the world's ten millionth pink slime news factory or Youtube click fakery cluster, or whatever
But AI isn't yet adding its useless weight to the groaning pile in any significant way
it's also completely useless, and even it's hyped up by the same people who sticked around crypto when it was a thing
It's not completely useless, it just not the silver fucking bullet that the cryptobros promised it was. It can do a lot of cool shit, but we keep trying to make it do things it's really not equipped to do.
They're talking about "AI", not crypto, the crypto bros part of their comment is about it being the same people that jumped on the crypto wagon and defend the energy waste.
I was using cryptobros as a proxy for the people that hyped AI. I feel like that venn diagram is a circle.
Fair enough and I agree
Well as long as you feel it is true.
And if I use "I feel" instead of a more concrete assertion, it's clear from context that I don't have any data to back that up off hand and am implicitly making a wider assertion that the people they hyped crypto are the same or akin to the people who are hyping AI.
Feel free to disprove me.
Not on me to disprove your, cough.... argument...cough.
Learn how standards of evidence work. "I feel" you got some reading to do.
Wasn't an argument. It was an anecdote. I feel there is insubstantial difference in character and behavior between crypto bros and ai hype people. Given that we are discussing large populations, overlap will occur. It has been my experience that they are generally the same people.
Thus "I feel" instead of some kind of demographic analysis. If you are offended by this, maybe don't associate with willfully uninformed grifters and their victims.
Well as long as you feel something it just be true. Especially when it involves humans. It's a lot easier to make up universal laws of ideas.
Yup. I'm ok with having a negative, poorly backed opinion of grifters who's lies fall in to my area of professional expertise. And if one of those grifters get butthurt about it, all the better. If they didn't want to be offended by people not liking their bullshit, they shouldn't be active detriments to society at large.
We don't do the right thing for other people we do it for ourselves
Sure. And the right thing is not tolerating grifters.
Yes grifters who you have blind faith exist
You imply I am a grifter? Quite the stretch. I'm curious how you got there. A vague reference to my profession brands me as such?
I did no such thing. I am taking issue with your ridiculous strawman you "feel" exists.
Ok fair, that misinterpretation is on me.
I feel like both of us have lost our minds with what a dumb thread this is.
I'm allowed to strongly associate two groups of people who I've found to have similar patterns of behavior. You're allowed to dislike me for having an opinion you dislike.
Or you're a real AI whom I've offended and for which I apologize. That'd be a fun end to this nonsense.
Not about an opinion I don't like. You built a strawman and I called you out on it.
Is it just remotely possible that people could think of cryptocurrency as a scam/tool for criminals and at the same time be into automation tech? Well, no not in your worldview. It is a "circle" in venn diagram form.
Into automation ---> into crypto --> techbro (whatever the fuck that means)
And of course it's circular. If you are a "techbro" it means you are into crypto and into automation.
Don't think this is a valid inference structure? Well you made it. And ironically in a thread calling out other people for not being rational.
Anyway I wouldn't worry, not like you are going to learn from this. You will just slap some label on me like "techbro" assume I have whatever strawman opinions you want me to have and move on to be "right" somewhere else. Heaven fucking forbid people don't fit in some neat little box. Sorry, venn circle.