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I think that calling veganism privileged is a response to the more militant vegans who don't realize that economic hardship and food scarcity can make their version of veganism unsustainable for some people.
Could you be more explicit? Like what are the foods and clothing etc suggested by militant vegans that are luxury goods?
When you're in desperate levels of food scarcity, you don't have room to be picky. When you are relying on borrowed/stolen/passed down or thrifted clothing, you're going to wear what you can get.
Veganism is an ethical choice, but it's a choice some people aren't in a position to make.
That's what makes it a privilege.
Completely wrong. You can still be vegan even if you aren't able to live without being forced to use animal products. The literal definition of veganism includes "as far as is possible and practicable" for reason. Please make sure you read the sidebar as that distinction is very important. It allows all the things that you've outlined in your comment as acceptable under the definition of veganism.
Maybe in the context of this instance, sure, that caveat is applicable. Outside of this place, out in the real world, it isn't.
I don't eat this stuff, but I assume they mean vegan cheese, tofu, tempeh, store bought seitan sausages/deli meats, fancy ice cream, almond milk, and whatever weird stuff I see in some rich comrade fridges
Tofu and tempeh are cheap, the rest are junk foods largely marketed towards lactose intolerant people and carnists with a guilty conscience.
Standard plant based food is like bean or lentil stew. Not hotdogs except molecular gastronomy.
Dunno. Also packaging isn't compostable.
I usually make lentil burgers or carrot dogs or seitan if I want to appease stubborn omnivores
You're referring to outliers.
If you care about animals, you don't move to a "desert" where you don't have a supply of non-animal-based food. That's the cost of trying to give a shit. You don't get to be an opportunistic predator, you don't practice it only when it's convenient with your business/career plan.
For most people this isn't even an issue, but carnists love to glom onto the exceptions as if most humans are living on a space station surrounded by asteroid cattle.
I've lived in a dessert, and there's no shortage of fruit, dates, olives, bread, carrots, onions, beans, rice, cabbage, beets, and all the veggies you need at the local market
Hell, israel has the highest number of vegans per capita than any country, and most of the diet is Whole Foods.
I was referring to this concept: https://sentientmedia.org/food-desert/
Ah. Right. Then its basically pasta and bread and peanut butter. Maybe bananas or canned corn or something if you're lucky
If you read the article there, you'll notice that it's more complicated.
I've also read a bunch of papers on it and it's not as simple as access. People have desires (often influenced by advertising and culture) and a certain segment of the planetary population believes that cooking is beneath them, so that it's someone else (very shitty) job to feed them while the hustle and grind to win the Dream.
Some people can't afford the cost of giving a shit, and expecting everyone to have the same levels of economic freedom and access to food and clothing needs as you do is a position coming from ignorance and privilege. Even thinking of moving as a voluntary thing is from that same position.
If you can be vegan and can afford to live that lifestyle, great, that's a moral thing to do.
If you're starving on the street you don't have the option.
The fact veganism is an option some people can choose and others can't makes it a privilege.