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We tried to encourage the Democratic Party to primary someone else, someone who doesn't reek of genocide and cognitive decline.
They did, in 2016, and he lost because America is too far gone and doesn't have time to recover before we burn the world.
They absolutely did not. They resisted him every step of the way, especially in 2016.
And so we never got to see how he would have fared against a Republican.
Oh come on. We had a spell in the UK with a leftist candidate, and we ate him alive. We're considerably less right-wing than the US, so there's no fucking way that voters would've voted for Sanders.
You get the politicians you deserve.
Bernie Sanders is a centrist by UK standards, though. At least one analysis of the vote totals found that he would've won the electoral college count, at least based on the voters who say they would've voted for him or Trump.
It's easy to say anything to a survey that comes to you. It's about the reality of how many would actually go out and miss some work to vote for the guy.
Perhaps. My point is not that Sanders definitely would have won, but that his winning was absolutely a plausible outcome. Heck, I know two Sanders-Trump voters, so I know at least that they exist.
The UK media did a hatchet job on Corbyn
They did, but you'd be a fool to think that he was electable to most of the UK population. Besides, basically every leader since Starmer and Blair have been fucked over by the media.
I'd contend that the public never got the chance to decide. If you think your options are the people you know or a raging antisemite, it's not much of a choice
Are you referring to Corbyn being ruined by the Israeli lobby? Remind me was that before or after Brexit?
It wasn't just that, though. While I liked Corbyn, his ideological leaning meant that he would be incredibly easy to trip up on practically anything, from Brexit to the royals to the IRA.
What does that even mean?
He wasn't deserving of support because he had an opposition?
Now he's out and there's a centrist happy to be a Tory.
How is that working out? Free of trip ups?
What the fuck are you on about?
I don't particularly like Starmer, but he's likely going to be the last Labour leader since the last faux-Tory, and likely going to win the largest majority for decades.
It's going to work out really well for him, and that's likely because the UK is far more right-leaning than we'd like to admit. Still, we're absolutely nowhere near the US...
I'm surprised that this is even in question. Even Reddit gets this...