this post was submitted on 02 Jul 2024
176 points (86.4% liked)
Asklemmy
43939 readers
419 users here now
A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions
If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!
- Open-ended question
- Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
- Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
- Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
- An actual topic of discussion
Looking for support?
Looking for a community?
- Lemmyverse: community search
- sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
- !lemmy411@lemmy.ca: a community for finding communities
~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
They each served one term. Just compare their actions.
Biden rejoined the Paris Climate Agreement, revoked the Keystone Pipeline permit, created a 13 million acre federal petroleum reserve for Alaskan wildlife, greatly increased oil site lease cost, signed $7B in solar subsidies, invested $66B in passenger rail, enacted the Inflation Reduction act to support clean energy, increased energy efficiency standards on cars, appliances, and industry, created new permitting rules to streamline transmission lines, leveraged the NLRB for an FTC ruling that eliminated non-compete agreements, capped credit card late fees, reduced or outlawed junk fees in several industries, forgave billions in student debt from predatory loans, created the CHIPS Act to improve reliance on domestic technology, reenacted Net Neutrality, repealed Title 42, ended the Muslim Ban, reinstated the law prohibiting Israeli settlement on Palestinian territory, signed the Equality Act for LGBTQ+ rights, restored gay rights to beneficiaries, pardoned thousands of gay veterans from being convicted based on their sexual orientation, reenacted trans care anti-discrimination law, signed the Respect for Marriage Act, enabled unspecified gender on US Passports, rejoined WHO, banned medical debt from credit reports, currently rescheduling marijuana, is actively reducing drug costs with the American Rescue Plan Act…
Trump repealed 112 climate regulations, left the Paris Climate Agreement, disbanded the pandemic response team stalling national pandemic response, left the WHO, repealed trans care anti-discrimination law, repealed gay rights to beneficiaries, enacted Title 42 and the Muslim ban, repealed the law prohibiting Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory, repealed Net Neutrality, provided tax cuts to the wealthy that further widened our already exploitative wealth inequality, increased tariffs on goods costing the consumers, seated the conservatives in SCOTUS that repealed Roe v. Wade…
Never let it be forgotten that Roe v. Wade was struck down during a Democrat administration.
And that klansman-adjacent segregationist will never be forgiven for the '94 Crime Bill; beyond that, he still hasn't ended the 1033 Program, hasn't ended the reckless militarization of lynch-mob police, hasn't pardoned the 61 political prisoners in Atlanta facing federal RICO charges for protesting Genocide Joe's pet project Cop Cities. He ain't our ally, no matter how many little puff pieces of legislation he pushes of the lapdogs, bootlickers, and nepo-babies that do nothing to rectify the shit-sorry state of Amerika's material conditions.
What was it y'all slandered that imperial sheepdog Bernie for? Your boy Brandon might as well have renamed a post office for all the good he's doing the subjects-of-empire. I don't give the first fuck about the lapdogs of imperialism getting their scraps, where the fuck is the equality and actual liberation that doesn't require tapdancing like a minstrel for genocidal settlers?
Striking down Roe v Wade was not an act of the Democrat administration. It was struck down by a Republican supreme court.
A republican supreme court he could have simply packed. I thought he had enough moderates to forcibly bump up the number of justices, what's good? Don't have all that backup that you tell us you have? At that point the court wouldn't have been republican-controlled; but I guess the democrat party makes more money losing than they do shaking off their martyr complex and actually putting in work for the people that got them elected.
But y'know, the Democrat party's genocide-enablers and the Toms that mislead for them keep telling us they don't need the actual left in this country. You made your bed; now fuckin die in it.
I don't think Manchin and Sinema would go for court packing. And I'd count on zero republicans to vote with that. Who exactly are these moderates you were thinking of?
Every single peckerwood that persecuted the squad, all those genocide-enablers Biden would've rather worked with to ship ammo, weapons, and assorted materiel to an illegitimate supremacist state, y'know, those so-called "moderates". What's good, you-- [gasp] didn't have the support you thought you did? Color me shocked.
Almost like when your party repeatedly, routinely disavows the only part of the nation's political system that thinks forward, you lose your chances for everything from legislation to re-election!
Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? I'm saying those moderates don't exist, that that support doesn't exist for packing the court. You're blaming me for saying they do exist, and that the support for packing the court wasn't there when I said it was? But I didn't fucking say that support was there dumbass.
I don't accept that tone from genocidal fascist waterbearers; don't try again.
Again making up views of your opponents so you can go off on childish edgy rants.
Lol is that all you got? Still looking for that list of moderates who stand ready to expand the supreme court.
Ok, but what does that have to do with said denocrat administration? What say did they have in the matter? What could they have done to change the outcome?
If you absolutely had to stay loyal to the Democrat party for some reason, he could've packed the courts like the democrats that call themselves "progressive" were telling him to do from day one of his administration, which said "progressives" were told it was 'bad form'. Hell, Democrats have been using Roe v. Wade and similar protective legislation for women as carrots to dangle in front of the electorate ever since the Drone King; remember how the Violence Against Women act was supposed to be one of that minstrel's priorities during his first hundred days, only for it to become "no longer a priority" after he got his seat?
But the correct answer would have been to divest from the party. To have made it clear that literal fucking genocide is the red line of any actual human with an actually-international slate of morals. To walk away, and make them earn your support-- which you and those like you will never do, because you're spineless dogs waiting for the next table scraps to fall from the genocider's plate.
You, and everyone like you chose wrong; in unforgivable ways. I eagerly await your society's collapse, me and the rest of the subjects-of-empire y'all tread on day-in, and day-out.
I'm not even american, so I'm not sure what you arw on about right now. All I asked was how Roe v. Wade being repealed was Biden's fault, and the answer apparently is that he did not pack the court.
How genocide fits into Roe v. Wade, or how callling me names somehow helps I'm still unsure of.
Didn't pursue codification into law in his first hundred days just like the Drone King failed to do so with the Violence against Women Act; didn't make use of the fact that the Constitution makes no limits on how many supreme court justices can exist on the bench at one time while he had an iron clad majority at the start of his administration, and now has the TEMERITY to use it as one of the new cudgels for this election cycle. "Oh, we'll definitely codify it into law THIS time" yeah sure that's what was said about VAWA.
I spit on him, I spit on everybody who runs interference for him, I spit on everybody who bears his water. The reason genocide comes up is because THAT IS WHAT HE IS. With his arming and tacit support of Israel, he is the same kind of genocidal trash Netanyahu and the rest of the IDF are; and that fact actually matters more to me than Amerikans and the health and well-being of such. The fact that the people who still want me to see them as my countrymen have accepted genocide as a negotiable disgusts me so goddamn much that I don't even see anyone who does so as human anymore.
And because you're out here running interference for that cracker, I see you no different. Give a fuck where you come from; if you're 'not' Amerikan, fuck are you running your mouth like one? Keep your mark ass out the process.
As (again) a non-american, doesn't that require both chambers to support the legislation?
To a degree. There would've been ways to force it while he still had at least one majority; but what it boils down to for me is 'don't say you're going to do some shit if you're never going to actually do it.' This is why even if he wasn't enslaving my people by the pigload, even if he wasn't letting PDs extrajudically murder us at our workplaces, in these streets, and even in our homes, I'd still never support him.
He's the same kind of liar Drone King Barry was; except even Barry didn't have a pre-presidential history of locking up Black folk, eulogizing klansmen, and erecting Cop Cities during his administration to upkeep and intensify the inherent fascism of this country.
But isn't it obvious that if a presidential candidate promises some legislation, that it is contingent on the legislative branch?
Maybe if you've got all the principle of a used car salesman. Where I'm from, writing checks your ass can't cash results in your ass getting bounced, regardless of the circumstances you were writing it under. I don't make allotments for rich old white men like that.
You forgot the genocide.
They didn't 'forget' the genocide; they think all that small paltry shit for the imperialist lapdogs papers over genocide.
He's a literal Nazi judging by his comment history. No wonder he supports an American presidential candidate.
Oh, he's one of those peckerwoods. "You only get to protest in ways that don't draw attention and DON'T YOU DARE think about damaging property"-assed hook-assed treathounds
The "Russian are orcs" and "no Nazis in Ukraine" type. Even calls himself a Nazi in his name.
Oh you were talking about that one. Even more disgusting frankly
And the re-opening of mechanized trench warfare in Eastern Europe
Those are great and work well if you want to convince people who are leaning Biden, but if you want to convince Trump leaners, you might tweak the wordings a little. No need to mention the dangerous parts of anti-women's rights stuff (ie. wanting to forbid abortion, thereby making women's deaths much more likely), because that won't convince them. The language they understand of "climate" is not "good measures", but "I'm getting taxed and now I can't pay my bills". You need to speak in terms of fear, because that is what they are: afraid. Speak of fear, that the person who makes their bills higher, is actually Trump. Don't do so by directly starting with how Trump is bad. Instead, say, interesting you vote for him, question, question more, push, but not too far... and then once you got them hooked, question them by fears. Then don't tell them what the answer is (unless if they ask or seem to want one), but let them think. Let them figure it out. This will have a better effect.
"Biden respects the Constitution, because he let Hunter be trialed. Biden criticised the new rule. This whereas Trump called the Constitutional courts, who were IN HIS favour, into question. With the new rule, Biden could assassinate Trump. Trump could assassinate YOU. And he'd get away with it. Under Trump's judges, the President gets power to affect YOUR life. Do you think any president should be able to infringe on your personal life?"
And to (very religious) Christians and (xenophobes); "As Christians, it is our Duty to be Good Neighbours. Then the Word will spread better. But can we be good neighbours, if we deny people being neighbours in the first place? If we drive out native people from their homeland? If you are a Servant of God, should you then not choose to let Palestinians have their own state, without being colonised by foreigners? Only then will the Palestinian refugees stop protesting with violence, and go back to their homelands. This is not a matter of what I think, but of what a Good Christian should see: injustice done upon us, injustice done upon them, injustice upon us all. Let us thus gather together."
Granted, I'm not familiar with all what happens in the USA, but perhaps those also help.
You’re right. This won’t convince a Trump voter to vote for Biden. They dismiss anything from “liberal news” which is every outlet besides the far-right. It’s been my experience that talking to a Trump supporter is kicking water uphill.
I wrote that to do what Biden’s campaign is failing to do, speak to all of his accomplishments next to Trump’s “accomplishments,” in hopes of informing the discouraged, disengaged, and disenfranchised.
What news source did your Trump people reject when you tried to show it to them?
Any. For example, my sister is locked in. She calls everything that doesn’t come from Fox, OAN, or Truth “corrupt liberal media.”
Care to share what you meant by this?
Cannot fathom caring about a blatant genocide so they have labelled everyone who does a bot
Haven't you read their messaging? They are just perfectly innocent Democrat supporters who are super concerned about Biden's chances in the election. Also they talk about Cornel West sometimes. For some reason they are not concerned about his chances in the election; they just really like what he has to say, and they're going to vote for him. Flawless.