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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 95 points 4 months ago (14 children)

Fairly successful strategy I've been using lately is to out-crazy the red team and feed em their own medicine. No one here needs to be told the libertarian party is just Far Right Liteβ„’, but do you know their selling points? Cuz there is no chance in HELL I'll be able to convince a Trumpanzee to vote for Biden, but I have been able to steer a handful of votes away from Trump and toward Chase Oliver - usually goes down like this: MAGAt will open the conversation by bitching about someone on the blue team - such as Hillary and her emails. I'll AGREE with them, but lump her and Trump into the same category... "Idk how they get away with sending classified data on a private email server or printing it out and hauling boxes of it to their private residence. If I did hundredth of the crime Trump or Hillary committed, I'd spend the rest of my life in jail!". Bitch about how both parties are doing the bare minimum just to stay in power etc; then start pitching 3rd as an alternative option.

'Both sides' em, and change their vote to "not trump" by pitching whichever 3rd most closely aligns with their impressionability (which is pretty much always the LP). Put the spoiler effect to good use.

And be weary of folks doing the same to you, especially here on Lemmy with all the 'genocide Joe' shit or encouraging apathy because of the shit debate.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 37 points 4 months ago (3 children)

And be weary of folks doing the same to you, especially here on Lemmy with all the 'genocide Joe' shit or encouraging apathy because of the shit debate.

I'm already quite weary of that!

("Weary" means tired; you probably meant "wary" which means cautious)

[–] Colonel_Panic_@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm weary and wary of all this.

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[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 77 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They say your time is much better spent guaranteeing people who already will vote blue show up to polls than trying to change the opinion of people who will vote red.

So that looks like asking people "do you have a plan to vote?" And perhaps in a less nosy phrasing: "When will you vote?" "How will you get there?"

People verbalizing a plan makes them more likely to follow through.

There are many places you can sign up to go canvassing, which is great. I would suggest in addition to and maybe before that, make a list of everyone you know and would feel comfortable talking to, and talk to them about voting. You will get much more mileage from existing relationships. (It's like how sales differentiates a warm lead and a cold lead)

Once you've exhausted that list then every little bit still helps. I do think high density events like farmers markets, community gatherings, concerts, games, etc have better rate of contact than door to door.

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

I realize I just essentially said to tell people to vote while you were asking for something more. I wanted to share that because some people think that posting "vote" is the same as having a conversation about voting. Posting is not nearly as effective.

Another thing that might help is directly asking elected officials to intervene. Staffers for politicians keep a tally of calls and letters they receive for/against a given issue. So while your words may not move an elected, you and some friends can get them to act on an issue. If you have a group you can also request a meeting to discuss your issue which is even more effective. Politicians take notice of organized groups of constituents since that's a block of votes for/against them and possible a group knocking doors for/against them.

The trouble is I don't know what the ask is. There should be a specific action you're demanding: "introduce this bill" "cosponsor this bill" "vote for/against this bill". And it has to be something they're able to do. I don't know what that thing would be.

Pack the supreme court (but there's not time for that or majority in the house).

Long term I think building true power means growing communities, joining unions and cooperatives. Most of us aren't rich or powerful enough to be heard, which is why organizing is so important. None of this is fair or easy to do.

[–] toastboy79@kbin.earth 54 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Become one of Biden's close personal advisors and remind him of his obligation to protect the constitution from insurrectionists using official acts? Sorry I'm hella salty today.

[–] CaptnKarisma@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Same here man, but it makes me think. Does Monica Lewinsky count as an official act?

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (5 children)

He can’t. His only power over SCOTUS is nominating Justices in the event of a vacancy.

Congress can, but Republicans control the House.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 13 points 4 months ago (23 children)

They won't control the House after a few official acts.

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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I suppose Biden could have him officially assassinated. That's legal now.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago

Trump even shown the way, assassinating general Soleimani.

[–] blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't have Biden run for reelection. Pick any other half decent human and they should win.

[–] bmarinov@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)
[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 38 points 4 months ago

The American way. See a problem, wait until it's too late to fix said problem, point fingers at a scapegoat for why the problem wasn't solved earlier, and repeat.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Convention hasn't happened yet. It literally isn't too late for that.

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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 25 points 4 months ago

Volunteer to help get good local politicians elected.

Help a local charity.

The impact will be indirect, but inpactful.

[–] feoh@lemmy.ml 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Long shot here: Donate to charities which help people in need in predominantly Trump held districts.

Less of a long shot: Volunteer for organizations like Vote Forward to try to reach folks. We're all human beings at the end of the day, and appealing to people can't hurt.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

turning off voters is the biggest reason why we don't vote imo in this environment and there's nothing you can do about shitty choices that the democrats will give us; but there's things you can do to overcome the other institutional part of it; aka gerrymandering:

setup free voting ride shares with free filling snacks in gerrymandered states that will pick each person up from home; drop them off at their polling station; pick them up from there; and then drop them off at home w/o having to wait for everyone to finish voting. the lines are VERY long and take hours in heavily gerrymandered places like houston texas and people hate voting already; so making them wait or skip dinner to vote is a non-starter.

setup free voting phone number and/or website that will help register you to vote (not just tell you what you need to do) on your behalf and include the option to mail you a pre-filled envelope and stamp if paper registration is required. advertise it HEAVILY on all forms of media everywhere and make it clear it's not from the government.

then, assign a case worker to every client to ensure that the registration was completed and followup on the problems that gerrymandered places usually create to suppress votes. also get lawyers or people familiar with election laws to file inquiries on each voter's behalf each time a gerrymandered place manages to find a reason to disqualify a voter or an employer refuses to let them off to vote and use that case worker to manage it.

expect it to fail the first few times because people hate talking about politics so they won't listen for the first few cycles.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The vast majority of Americans both already know how they feel about Trump and Biden and live in a solidly red or blue state. If you do want to focus on Biden, volunteer with phone banking or canvassing so that your efforts are directed to where they'll actually matter and be organized in line with their messaging. Personally, I'd say you're better off focusing on local races where you have more of an opportunity to come at it from a different angle and cut through people's fortified positions. And as another user said, focus on mobilization, it's easier to get someone who already agrees with you to register and make a plan than to convince someone to change their whole worldview.

There are also strategies outside of electoralism, such as protests and counter-protests. You can join an organization and form tactics and strategies to subvert the right's actions, and engage with direct action to build trust and community that could be important in the future. Form strategies while being realistic about your goals and capabilities and coordinate with others.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Who's really going to be swayed by a phone bank? My democratic rep keeps robocalling me and sending text messages and I honestly find it more annoying than anything. This does not work in 2024.

If someone canvassing (or a potential solicitor) knocks on my door I'm either not going to answer it or ask them to leave because I'm busy and don't want my time taken up.

These are totally ineffective strategies IMO.

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[–] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago

This post. Nice try, glowie.

But for real, just be nice to people. When you talk to them about politics and tell them to vote.

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 14 points 4 months ago

I hear the French had good luck with guillotines.

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

An armed rebellion. Duh.

In fact this is the only thing that can be done. If Trump loses, he wins anyway in the form of Biden.

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[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 months ago (16 children)

Telling Biden to stop the genocide.

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[–] satanmat@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

https://votesaveamerica.com

If your state allows it, set up a table and register people to vote

Volunteer to phone bank

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Call your democratic politicians (if you have any) Governor/Senators/House Rep and advocate for pressure for Biden to step down gracefully from the ticket... then prepare to vote for Biden in November because that's a hell of a longshot.

If you're talking to people on the fence about voting or not focus more on Biden's policy achievements instead of Trump being a boogie man. Anyone liberal who is considering sitting out this election has already internally decided that Trump is an acceptable outcome for trying to change the two party system or to avoid dirtying their hands voting for Biden to continue genocide - pushing against people's fervently held beliefs is a waste of energy... the media really hasn't put much attention on things that Biden has accomplished so talking those things up won't make people defensive - you never want to directly challenge someone's fervently held beliefs because it is extremely difficult to shift those.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

I could make a few effective suggestions, but I don't want to end up on a list. My life sucks enough without getting in trouble for a joke.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 months ago (12 children)

Don't have a genocidal sundowning segregationist nominated without a rank-and-file voting process with multiple candidates. Or accept that you are not really in charge of any of this when it comes to The Democratic Party and therefore you should place your political focus on ways to build and wield power that do not depend on it.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is the only correct answer. The settler empire cannot and will never do right, neither by the subjects-of-empire they still subject to fascism, to tenement housing because anglo realty companies bought up everything else to stranglehold rent prices, to carceral slavery in moldering prisons with food that'd give you COVID before it nourished you, to murder in our beds at the hands of SWAT teams; nor by the rest of the world that they routinely violate, pillage, and commit genocide upon. Death to the empire, worse to those who bear its water.

"I am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think, vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done." -- John Brown, December 2, 1859

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[–] htrayl@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Money. Donate. There isn't a near term world where money won't matter in giving you a voice, so you should use it.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

All practical options are extralegal.

I know I've been asking myself if I want to stick around to see what happens, but I dunno if I have the courage to turn the gun on myself. I'd drink myself to death, if I had any booze around.

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[–] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

you know there was an amendment that was created for dealing with unelected tyrants. uhhhhh one? three? hmmm, I can't seem to remember...

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 9 points 4 months ago

Volunteer to help get good local politicians elected.

Help a local charity.

The impact will be indirect, but inpactful.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

It's good to see that the propaganda accounts have learned the Fox News trick of having one person innocently ask a question so a bunch of other people can rush in and provide the answer (which is turning out to be, big shocker, that Biden is bad and we shouldn't vote for him.) As Fox discovered, it seems a lot more organic that way instead of just having someone stand in front of the camera and say over and over "DON'T VOTE FOR BIDEN."

I am still waiting for them to learn to make accounts that are supporting Biden but doing a terrible job of it -- sort of a Lemmy version of Alan Colmes -- like "I'm glad the stock market and GDP are going up so much under Biden, as a rich person I think he's doing great with the economy and also he's sticking it to the Palestinians which I obviously support."

I've seen a little sporadic trickle of accounts with very bad semiconservative opinions and then also supporting certain Democrats, but they seem pretty chaotic and probably like authentic homegrown trolls. I think the real fake-Biden-supporting propaganda potential has yet to be unlocked. I do support this new development in innocent questions, though; it seems like it's got some potential.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 8 points 4 months ago

You can volunteer to text/call people. Donating will also help make a difference.

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