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Update: The parties of the left coalition have publicly reaffirmed their commitment to the coalition, sending a message to Macron that they will not govern under the liberals

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[–] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 108 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I want to say, I'm French and this is reassuring. Sure it's not a massive victory for the left, because New Popular Front is full of succdems, but it's actually a massive defeat for the far right and the media who support them. It's cool that their demonizing of the only truly anti-racist party (LFI) didn't work. It's also a small defeat for the neolibs who are just in the low phase of their cycle of holding power.

We'll see if fuckhead president will choose to take full power and rule alone or take a succdem imperialist prime minister and continue business as usual

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 67 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Oh yeah this is much more a story of Macron’s negative political instinct and a massive fumble by the far right with a wide open door as a path to power. This is a HUGE rejection of the far right

[–] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 58 points 4 months ago

i want to believe but ive been so broken by the crushing of the yellow vest and retirement protests that nothing short of a revolution will give me hope... I'm still happy the far right got their asses handed to them after months of media circus

[–] camaron30@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He tried to imitate Pedro Sánchez, but he didn't realize that Pedro's instincts are out of this world.

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

tbf pedro bungled his first few tries at snap election, and he never got what he wanted which was an absolute majority, ended up having to do what he didn't want which was letting podemos into the government

[–] pinguinu@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 4 months ago

Podemos/sumar doesn't even behave "badly", they hang out with psoe and make cheesy speeches

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

It doesn't matter how rejected they are, history is proven they're willing to coup governments ruled by people too cowardly to oppose them.

Time will tell how this will turn out.

[–] Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So, what does this mean for future legislation in France? Or the Presidential race once Macron's term is up?

[–] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So, what does this mean for future legislation in France?

The big question is whether or not Macron is going to uphold the tradition of naming a prime minister elected by the majority faction of the National Assembly. If he does so maybe France will have some social democracy as a treat and recognise the state of Palestine if we're lucky.

He could also not give a fuck as far as I know, French president is a de-jure dictator in the fifth republic's constitution.

He could also resign which would be.... funny I guess?

Or the Presidential race once Macron’s term is up?

Too soon to know about that. Mélenchon could come back or not, if he doesn't nobody knows who would run for LFI. The next mainstream neolib too is unknown. The only certain thing is that we have our Party For Racism that will probably be a threat as usual

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

not much, the left is not in the majority. This basically means that the president and the PM (nominated by the president according who controls the parliament) the house will probably not agree on anything until the next election. The left coalition can probably form an alliance with Macron's coalition to pass certain legislation which will betray their commitment. Or the President can stall the parliament until the next election and the coalition breaks and eventually loses (IIRC this is what happened last election when France insoumie and the Socialist party "splitted" the vote)

[–] Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why do I get the feeling they're just delaying the inevitable, especially if they compromise with the liberals and do more austerity. That seems to be a deadly pattern for socdems in the history of the left.

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

Socdem works within capitalism framework, all they can do is compromise

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Le programme concernant l'international fait l'objet de forts compromis172,173, en particulier le conflit israélo-palestinien174,175 :

Agir pour la libération des otages détenus depuis les massacres terroristes du Hamas, dont est rejeté le projet théocratique

you know who compromised more.

[–] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah sad AF

I respect Mélenchon mostly for being decent on China, Russia and Palestine, which is what's most controversial about him. Strategically it makes sense to throw geopolitics under the bus so the pink imperialists would go along, but it's sad nonetheless

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think the geopolitical matters is not the main thing i like about Melenchon. Yes, he is good at it, but over years France is fluid in their foreign policy, Macron talked big on Chinese Human right issues last term but when money talk comes, the dude still goes to Beijing to secure more contracts. Mélenchon's last election promised electoral reform and the dissolution of the 5e republic, which is needed and necessary, but I have yet seen a party that will dissolve the system that allows them to come to power in the first place.

[–] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 4 months ago

That's true, we're mostly big time opportunists on international matter. Let's hope we at least keep it that way so we can pivot out of US influence.

The idea of changing the constitution is one of the things that gives credible hope. However I'm not totally confident in our ability to not be toppled like Gaddafi or Allende if that happens

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I have zero faith he will keep this positions and not fold to the right.

[–] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Actually he only got further left by growing older. He learnt about Islamophobia, transphobia, anti-colonialism and integrated everything to his political line. He was at the big tent succdem party at some point and now his party is treated like an existential threat by the French bourgeoisie

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

The bourgeoisie treats everything that could cut into profits as an existential threat, look at Sanders for example.