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[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 33 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Wasn't trump impeached twice? What does this even mean concretely?
Not knocking the sentiment, just questioning the practicality

[–] finley@lemm.ee 48 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Put simply, an impeachment happens in the House of Representatives and is akin to an indictment by Grand Jury. If successful, the proceeding then moves to the Senate for trial, where the party is either convicted or acquitted. A conviction would mean removal from office and the possibility of facing criminal charges.

Trump was impeached twice, but he was not convicted either time.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago

Also good to note that the Constitution doesn't mandate the Senate convict the president under any circumstance other than treason.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Gives Dem voters something to rally around in the lead up to the election...

Like. This is literally the time and place for performative actions, but I swear it's like everyone's forgot what the word "campaign" means.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Without getting too technical, and someone please correct anything that may be represented incorrectly: It's basically like a trial. The House is the prosecutor, and jury and the Senate is the judge. The plaintiff is the United States itself, and the defendant is the political figure (president, SC justice, etc)

The House gathers / presents evidence and tries them then renders a verdict (Impeachment)

The Senate is responsible for sentencing or acquitting. Without a 2/3 majority voting to remove them from office, the impeached is acquitted.

In both of Trump's, the House found him guilty of the charges (impeached) but the Republican controlled Senate acquitted him.

Hard to edit it in on mobile, but see @ricecake@sh.itjust.works 's clarifications below to my analogy.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago

Impeachment is the decision to press charges, and the Senate trial is closer to the actual trial.

"Charged and convicted" -> "impeached and convicted"

Otherwise a perfectly good analogy. :)

The distinction only matters for people who bring up due process concerns. The impeachment proceedings aren't actually a trial, but a decision to have one, as such you aren't obligated to the same ability to speak in your own defense as you would be at a proper trial. With the Senate trial there's more expectation of due process because it's an actual trial.

[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I see. I shall remain optimistic then--Thanks!

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, I'm trying to be optimistic, but usually there's several steps before Articles of Impeachment are proposed.

The House still needs to vote on the articles, and that requires only a simple majority vote. So they would need at least a few Republicans to vote "yea" for it to go anywhere. What I'm unclear on is if the Speaker of the House can prevent it from getting a vote (researching this on mobile is harder than I thought lol).

[–] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately it means as much as it did for the Trump impeachments. There is zero chance any, let alone enough, Republicans would vote to convict these conservative judges regardless of the evidence and validity of the charge(s).

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 8 points 4 months ago

For Trump, they wouldn't even allow the evidence to be presented to the senate.