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[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If those people are fine with Trump being president, then that's on them. Sitting out instead of voting against Trump is helping Trump win.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

You can blame them if you want, but the original push is from Biden and the DNC's failures and support for genocide.

The point is, Biden is tanking, so swapping him is better. Defending Biden hurts DNC chances.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

support for genocide

The same genocide that Trump supports, likely more than Biden?

If the genocide in Palestine was someone's single issue, they'd be pretty disappointed if Trump were making decisions about the Palestine...

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People aren't voting for Trump, they just won't for Biden. America isn't a mandatory voter country, so actively contributing to genocide hurts the DNC's chances by disengaging voters, not by flipping them to Trump.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Not voting for Biden helps Trump win

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Replacing Biden helps Trump lose.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That isn't guaranteed. And the voters don't really have any control over that.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

True. They could replace Biden with Clinton.

The voters lack of control is the main reason we are in this mess. Only 14m people chose Biden in the primary.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I agree with you there.

I'm also (obviously) against the genocide.

I just think Trump would be worse in every way, including regarding the genocide (and other potential future genocides and/or wars).

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Not Trump should be President. That doesn't necessarily mean Biden.

[–] CptInsane0@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not voting for Trump helps Biden win then.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, if voters who vote Republican or flip between Republican/Democrat decide not to vote for Trump, then that would help Biden win.

[–] CptInsane0@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ok, but independents who don't vote for either are not helping either.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Or are they helping both?

Actually, I've read that voter apathy tends to help Right-wing parties. If that's true and accurate, then independents who don't vote for either would be helping Trump.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yep, so the DNC should replace Biden and appeal more to their voters.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Maybe it'd appeal more to you. But they've likely done their research and figured that they'd lose more votes from swapping him out.

They could be right or wrong, but they're not making these decisions blindly.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Maybe it'd appeal more to you. But they've likely done their research and figured that they'd lose more votes from swapping him out.

Then this is their tactical choice to sacrifice voters that would vote for the DNC if he was swapped out, and the blame lies on the DNC, not the voters.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, because the voters still have a choice to vote.

There's no guarantee that swapping candidates would get them more net votes.

There's a guarantee that Democrat or flip voters who abstain from voting for Biden are helping Trump win.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There's a guarantee that Democrat or flip voters who abstain from voting for Biden are helping Trump win.

Why are they abstaining?

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because they're okay with convicted felon Donald Trump becoming the president of the USA again, lol

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Are they? Is that why they are abstaining? Does that mean every third party and non-voter is okay with Trump?

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If their vote matters (based on previous elections), then yes.

They're either okay with it, or they're ignorant.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

So then the DNC is to blame, cool, we are in agreement.

[–] rekorse@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Excuse excuse excuse, I feel bad voting for Biden so I won't"

Very inspiring. What other emotions do you have trouble dealing with?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

Did I say I wasn't voting for Biden? It's like you want him to lose.