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We gotta get us some Approval Voting so people can vote for their true favorite without worrying if it'll accidentally give them a worse election result.
I agree, until that happens though, all of us are required to choose the least bad option.
well if you don't vote now, you no longer have to worry about that, as chances are there will be no more elections that the democrats could even try to win.
What else are they going to do? Just run anyway with no support and torpedo the chances anyone beats the Cheeto king?
Have you considered... Pragmatism?
Yes it 100% fucking is.
Given the choice between ruin the country and the planet in that order and "this candidate is uninspired" or "wow not very good", you have to be a giant entitled sack of shit to make everyone go down the road of ruined country and planet. We would ALL like it to be a better choice, but for christs sake don't be an obstinate fuckstick: it's not getting you a better candidate, it's literally just punishing everyone if you stay home.
Choose between: "you might get to choose a good option again", and "you almost definitely won't". That's what's on the table. You HAVE a preference, but it's not an inspired choice. When it's orange Hitler vs green Hitler, by all means, make your stand. If you are making a stand between orange Hitler and "meh" you deserve a brow beating every hour of every day until November.
Not trying to win elections? They are in office right now, having won an election.
What are you even talking about?
Claiming that the democrats are throwing the election to the fascists seems more like an excuse to justify your doing the same thing.
That's a much better point to make than the conspiracism you started with. Why didn't you start with that?
To your response, do you not have local elections that affect your life? Do you think not voting will improve your home?
For sure, for sure.
Is this ever gonna happen, though? I see it like guaranteed under every single social media post that complains about how we don't have a functional system and while I agree that fptp as a system is bad and horrible, it almost feels like a red herring at this point because it has such a low chance of ever being changed as each party in power, and any party that theoretically ever able to take power, would not stand to benefit from alternative voting. It's like prison reform or free healthcare or making weed legal or any number of other things that has high levels of voter approval but conveniently never happen because it's not in the best interest of the party, except this one is possibly more niche and easier to spread misinformation about.
Like I dunno, what's the M.O. on getting this done? Get it approved in a couple local elections and then just hope it bubbles up from there? I know in oregon there's supposed to be some referendum on it, but I kind of doubt it's going to pass even though I'm gonna vote for it. I seriously don't see it happening, at least on a federal level, without some extremely serious reform that basically completely reworks how the government currently functions.
Ranked choice voting has already been adopted for state elections in multiple states.
You're thinking of a different voting method, but the answer is that you have to be an organizing member of the change you want to see. When Fargo switched to approval it was because a single person decided "fuck it, I'm gonna make this happen." They built a team of volunteers and forced through a referendum, and ran a campaign to advertise and support it.
We're advocating to take away power from those who have it. They will never allow it voluntarily, you have to make it happen.