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A community for everything related to Palestine and the occupation currently underway by the occupying force known as Israel.

Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. Existence is resistance for Palestinians.

Please refer to Israel as Occupied Palestine, or occupied territories. The IDF is a fascist and ethnonationalist occupying force. Israelis are settlers. We understand however that the imperial narrative (which tries to legitimise Israel) is internalised in the imperial core and slip-ups are naturally expected.

We always take the sides of Palestine and Palestinians and are unapologetic about it. Israel is an occupying power whose "defence force"'s (note the contradiction) sole purpose for existing is to push Palestinians out so they can resettle their rightful land. If you have anything positive to say about Israel we do not care.

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[–] randompasta -5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is the best argument that anyone here has made. So in November I have the choice of Trump, who I believe will make the Palestinian situation worse, Biden who I believe is slightly better but as the lesser of two evils, a third party which is throwing out the vote without ranked choice voting, or not voting. Three of those options help Trump.

[–] Giyuu@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There were many good arguments. Youre just ok with genocide and/or weren't smart enough to understand them 👍

[–] randompasta 1 points 4 months ago

That's not an answer to my question. And typical of the other responses.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

frankly, your comment is a great summation of why electoralism is a dead end for change, but i'll play ball a little longer regardless.

Trump, who I believe will make the Palestinian situation worse

I understand the instinctive gut belief that this is true, but materially, what can he provide to Israel that Biden has not? It goes without saying that the empire isn't abandoning its vassal regardless of which figurehead is in charge, of course, but the only thing stopping Biden from sending more weapons is that it simply doesn't have the productive capabilities to further arm Israel (or the Ukraine, for that matter) at present. In a very real sense, Trump doesn't have much room with which to get worse, even if he wanted to. The end result of Biden's support for Israel is the death of every last Palestinian. Trump will continue that work, true. You are going to watch this genocide happen in your lifetime, one way or another. You can either support it or oppose it. You have rightly identified that there is no real way to vote against it (aside from support of a third party, which we'll get to).

Biden who I believe is slightly better but as the lesser of two evils,

But why? Based on what evidence? He has been a staunch Zionist since the 80s, long before Trump could even find Palestine on a map. He has been a part of ratcheting up every war effort the U.S. has engaged in since he got into office. If your perception of him is that he is an old fighter who's battling it out with the Republicans to eek out wins for the climate and labor unions then, well, I would just spend less time on Twitter, frankly. That level of brainworms is beyond the scope of this comment. If your perception of him is "Joe Biden, chill old grandpa VP to the first black president!" then you should know he was besties with (to the point of eulogizing him!) Strom Thurmond, a man so racist he would make Hitler's lederhosen tighten with unfettered Nazi joy. This was, in fact, his appeal: Biden was specifically picked to win back the racists in the Dem base who had no interest in supporting a black man for president.

To me, you read like someone who still believes the Democrats have something meaningfully different to offer than the Republicans. In reality, these people are all friends. Their kids go to (fancy, private) school together. They get brunch at restaurants so expensive you and I would have our knees broken for standing too close to the entrance. Many of them are even funded by the very same people and corporations. It's disheartening, but there really is no major political party that cares one iota about human life.

a third party which is throwing out the vote without ranked choice voting, or not voting

And they'll never let you have ranked choice voting, as I'm sure you've realized. The elite are not going to do anything to upset their grasp on power.

Look, at the end of the day if you've been paying attention then you know Biden is fucking cooked. His brain is pudding and his opponent got the coolest photo op a U.S. ghoul has had in decades. You can support him (and tacitly, his genocide) despite his dismal chances or you can vote for someone who opposes it. The likelihood either will elected is nil. The result is almost certainly going to be the same: Trump is going to be President, again.

I say this as a trans woman. I am not going to be having a good time. But even in the worst case scenario, where they're sticking me on Cybertruck to the Quiznos™ death camps, I could not imagine being able to live with myself knowing I tried to throw an entire peoples under the bus to stave off my execution.

You do what your conscience can bear.