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I would for vote Kamala. I would vote for a cactus with sunglasses if it had the Democratic nomination. You would do yourself well to consider anything that is weaking the resolve of the anti-trump sentiment straight poison to your brain. We have only one job this novemeber and that is to stop trump. The Supreme Court has given him the status of king. Quit acting like your vote is sacred and start realizing your vote is your final cry before your rights are forfeited.

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[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The risk of doing nothing becomes the greatest risk of all. It absolutely could be worse, we all lived through 4 years of Trump (and the aftermath re:Supreme Court appointments). We don't need hypotheticals here, there's a clear comparison between 4 years of Trump and 4 years of Biden, and not voting out of principal doesn't stop anything.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In full transparency, I'm not voting for Biden in November because of the Palestinian Genocide and because I believe he's already ineffective at protecting LGBTQ rights in red states. But I'm not here to tell you not to vote for him in November. I should have been more clear above. We have the momentum to replace him and vote for someone that isn't just a figurehead. Biden and his allies are using the "vote blue no matter who" rhetoric as a club to stop people from talking about replacing him on the ticket. We can cross that bridge on August 23rd though, the day after the convention. Right now we need to fully and faithfully have the conversation about replacing him.

After November we need to better organize to prevent the mega donor class from steering us into a full Oligarchy. Something that's on the plate for both old guys.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I hate to break it to you but if it's Biden & Trump in November, regarding Palestinian Genocide and LGBTQ rights, Trump will absolutely be worse than Biden, so not voting for Biden will not change anything and just make things worse.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

So this is an interesting issue. Either state's rights are so strong that Blue States can protect LGBTQ people as hard as Red States have been persecuting them or Biden is willfully letting Red States persecute LGBTQ people.

So no it's not going to be worse. It's going to be the same as it ever was in either case. And as for the Palestinians, my heart goes out to them but my vote isn't about what happens on the ground there. It's about the permissive morality of contributing to it. If we're willing to contribute to it there, then we're willing to contribute to it here. And you can see it shaping up in rhetoric against marginalized people by politicians from both parties. They disagree about LGBTQ people because that's a flashy issue they can use. The second you're talking about homeless people and immigrants the rhetoric converges.

We just approved forcing homeless people into camps, destroying all of their property, and using them as forced labor if they resist. Immigrants aren't far behind, we're on to trying to deny them asylum because they showed on the wrong day and return them to the hands of cartels in Northern Mexico. Something that's actually illegal according to our laws and international treaties we've signed. So now there's a displaced person problem on our border and in history that translates to forced labor. If you have questions about that you should read up on refugee camps where western volunteer doctors learn not to ask too many questions. The dynamic works whether or not it's officially declared a refugee camp.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think all of these points really come down to the Supreme Court makeup, which got fucked under Trump. Trump was able to nominate 3 justices, which created the super majority we have now.

So no it’s not going to be worse. It’s going to be the same as it ever was in either case.

They have indicated that they want to undo previous decisions which codified gay rights. This isn't a red state/blue state issue, it will affect the whole country.

We just approved forcing homeless people into camps

The same court made the decision about making homelessness illegal. The most direct way to stop these horrible decisions from being made will be to support the impeachment of the corrupt justices, and ensure that we have a president who will nominate justices who aren't corrupt and taking away our rights.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Okay I need you to understand this. The Red States have been ignoring the old Supreme Court rulings. They do not care. and the Homeless laws I'm talking about were passed by Democrats, in contravention of old Supreme Court rulings.

This is not a SCOTUS issue. They're the scapegoat on these issues and the myth that there would be substantive change if we just kept Biden in office.

Either States are powerful enough to ignore the federal government, or they aren't. And the implications of that are not good for Biden either way. Because he's either powerless, in which case so would Trump be, or he's willfully allowing this, in which case the worst case scenario is already playing out.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The Red States have been ignoring the old Supreme Court rulings.

Citation needed. Regardless if states follow the rulings, the supreme court can shift the views of the nation. After 2015 same sex marriage ruling, there was much higher support for same sex marriage, with noticable large increases with Republicans corresponding to the Supreme Court ruling:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2017/06/26/support-for-same-sex-marriage-grows-even-among-groups-that-had-been-skeptical/

From the Article from 2017:

For the first time, a majority of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents do not oppose allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally.

To your other point:

myth that there would be substantive change if we just kept Biden in office.

When Biden assumed office, we were in the middle of a global pandemic, still social distancing because there were no vaccines, and we're having a 9/11 worth of American deaths every day. Maybe returning to normal life wasn't substantive for you, but there have been huge changes over the last 3.5 years of the Biden presidency.

Because he's either powerless, in which case so would Trump be, or he's willfully allowing this, in which case the worst case scenario is already playing out.

In this situation, do you think Trump would be willingly allowing atrocities or actively driving and enabling them? A Trump presidency would clearly be the worst case scenario here.

EDIT: just formatting