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Trump assassination attempt: More than a dozen guns found at suspected shooter's home
(www.nbcnewyork.com)
this post was submitted on 17 Jul 2024
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I'm not saying this guy is definitely a lefty, I don't think they have enough information to say anything with a lot of confidence yet. ~~He had a one time donation to Act Blue,~~ which doesn't mean a lot, and he was a registered Republican, which also doesn't mean a ton either.
There are plenty of 2A lefties that own guns too, a couple of my friends are darn near progressive (US progressive, not EU progressive) and own a decent number of rifles, shotguns, and pistols. Owning a gun or multiple guns does not automatically make you a right winger, at least not in America.
I don't pretend to know what this guy was thinking though. Just saying it's still early and we don't know a ton.
Yeah so what if he registered Republican and his classmates talk at length about how conservative he was? He's probably a communist because he supposedly gave $15 once to act blue /s
If anything, making a donation in his name to a left leaning organisation seems like a middle finger pointed at him.
I haven't read any reports on what his classmates are saying. I'm not jumping to conclusions. I'm just saying it's early and there is a ton of misinformation and owning a gun or multiple guns doesn't automatically make him a right winger, it's just one data point.
They are all over the news being interviewed. Especially here in PA
What ton of misinformation are you reading? Other than dipshits trying to spin it as a conspiracy to raise his polling numbers.
You know the fun thing about using nuance? It doesn't matter one red penny if Republicans aren't doing it too.
The pursuit of truth is righteous. Other people being willfully ignorant does nothing to diminish that.
This is an election. Being snobby about "ignorant people" helps lose them.
Just ask Adlai Stevenson II.
Has nothing to do with being snobby toward other people. It has everything to do with holding yourself to a standard.
If Adlai Stevenson had a marketing problem that's something else entirely. Learning lessons from his faults itself seems like a pursuit of truth.
Good luck winning elections by holding yourself to a standard. I've yet to see that work, but I'm sure this time...
We're talking past each other here. I presume I'm no less invested in keeping fascists out of office than you are. That doesn't provide any excuse not to fully inform myself, or to pretend that something is anything other than what it really is.
You're talking in context of the upcoming election. I'm talking in context of not abandoning reality. Discarding nuance because other people are irrational doesn't serve you well in the broader scheme. Let them be confidently wrong. They aren't going to care what your argument is regardless of what you say, so serve yourself better by giving things their due consideration.
We are not quite talking past each other. No, don't let them be confidently wrong. Put the argument into language they can understand. You have no hope of convincing anyone outside of your own circles with the attitude that some people are too stupid to understand.
So what argument are you making when they are acting with insufficient information and there isn't yet sufficient information to come to any actual conclusion? If it's anything other than "we don't know yet / I don't know, and neither do you" that's not grounded in reality. "I don't know" is a perfectly valid statement, but it happens a lot that people favor something definitive if flawed. That's a problem when "I don't know" is ultimately accurate, not abandoning nuance, and using language that anybody can understand. But that is essentially what the comment you replied to was saying when you said nuance isn't relevant.
I'm not saying anyone is too stupid to understand. I'm not using willful ignorance to imply an inability to understand, but rather that they simply don't know, and don't care to know.
You say, "I don't know, but-" and then you talk about how, for example, there were a lot of guns in the shooter's home and talk about American gun culture. You use it as a starting point.
Cool, so we're adding additional information in order to come to a more nuanced understanding. I like where this is going.
Slightly more nuanced. Not so nuanced as what is given above and not so nuanced that "ignorant people" can't understand it.
This back and forth is getting dangerously close to being overwrought. If we disagree by such minimal degrees I don't really care to pursue this further. I think we've both made our point.
Peace to you. I'll see you around.
That wasn't him. That was a 70 year old guy from a different suburb with the same name. Stop spreading this misinformation.
Apparently there's also information that the donation address matches the shooter's, so it's not misinformation.
Louder for those in the back.