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I was raised reform Jewish and am half Jewish by family history. I have ancestors who were victims of the pogroms in the Russian pale of settlement – specifically, all four of my great-grandparents on my father’s side, along with their parents (my great-great-grandparents). When they were children their families fled and eventually resettled in the USA.

There is another place that they could have gone instead: Palestine. At that time it was still part of the Ottoman Empire, and some of the displaced Jews of that time did elect to go to Palestine. As it happens, my ancestors chose the US, but they could have gone to Palestine if they’d wanted to.

The fashionable posture on the left to take towards Israeli Jews recently has basically been a combination of glibness and vitriolic hatred, often reaching the point of wishing death upon them (examples: 1 2). I don’t know… I just can’t really feel good about stuff like that. The fact that my family ended up in the US and not Palestine is really just a quirk of fate. I don’t think that my ancestors were, like, morally better people for choosing the US over Ottoman-era Palestine. (And given the recent uptick in “Turtle Island” discourse, it seems like a fair number of leftists believe my ancestors shouldn’t have been allowed to resettle in the US either.)

I think that Zionism (with the possible exception of cultural Zionism) has generally been a noxious idea throughout its history. I don’t think the state of Israel should continue to exist as it is currently constituted, and I think the near-ubiquitous racism among Israelis is shameful. But I also don't think that every Jewish person who moved to Palestine in the last 150 years was a bad person for doing that, and I’m not prepared to circle-jerk over the deaths of people that I have a fair amount in common with historically.

Am I missing something? Have I been hoodwinked by Zionist propaganda?

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[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 58 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And given the recent uptick in “Turtle Island” discourse, it seems like a fair number of leftists believe my ancestors shouldn’t have been allowed to resettle in the US either

This strikes me as extremely bad faith. Nobody is advocating evicting anyone or deporting anyone. You need to reframe this for me to engage in any way in good faith.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

join_the_iww was the one who three months ago posted "Why do leftists make fun of anarcho-primitivism while also having positive views of indigenous movements?"

I mean, bless his heart, really, but by God this fellow seems to just be completely oblivious to Indigenous issues. It makes me wonder how much he can actually say about the land he stands on...

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 42 points 3 months ago

Yeah that's also really bad framing. Indigenous people aren't primitive that's racist as fuck.