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Joe Biden will not be the Democratic nominee in November’s presidential election, thankfully. He is not withdrawing because he’s being held responsible for enabling war crimes against the Palestinian people (though a recent poll does have nearly 40 percent of Americans saying they’re less likely to vote for him thanks to his handling of the war). Yet it’s impossible to extricate the collapse in public faith in the Biden campaign from the “uncommitted” movement for Gaza. They were the first people to refuse him their votes, and defections from within the president’s base hollowed out his support well in advance of the debate.

The Democrats and their presumptive nominee Kamala Harris are faced with a choice: On the one hand, they can continue Biden’s monstrous support for Netanyahu, the brutal IDF, and Israel’s genocide of Palestinians. That would help allow the party to cover for Biden and put a positive spin on a smooth handoff, even though we all know this would mainly benefit the embittered president himself and his small coterie of loyalists. Such a choice would confirm that the institutional rot that allowed the current situation to develop still characterizes the party.

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[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The United States should throw Israel under a bus.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The United States would be throwing its own strategic interests under a bus.

I know this may come as a shock, but the US government is well aware what is happening over there, and knows considerably more that the average person. They aren't doing nothing because of lack of evidence, or death, or allegations (both proven and otherwise). They do nothing because its in their interests to do so.

I use the example of "no blood for oil". They only said that because they still had oil - start losing access to key parts of your strategic access and absolutely we would be crying for war.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is no strategic interest in Israel that isn't better done by another country.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What country would be better suited to support the Carter Doctrine that is vital to US interests?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Qatar, Djibouti, Bahrain, Kuwait, and Turkey.

Just to name a few countries with large American military bases, extant militaries, and intelligence agencies.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So none better, only other bad options

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Better than Israel. We weren't getting half of the stuff from Israel that we get from our other Middle Eastern allies.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee -5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The US has little to no influence over Israeli domestic politics. Pretending that Israel is a puppet state of the US is... delusional.

[–] itsgoodtobeawake@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Well then they won't mind when we stop providing US made weapons to continue their aggressions, cutoff the billions in annual support, and stop blocking international efforts at holding them accountable. Why would Netanyahu be addressing our government if we had no skin in the game?

You're either uninformed or trolling, we are Israel's largest ally and we constantly shield them from international repercussions.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz -1 points 1 month ago

You don't understand, this is the only chance for the east to eradicate Israel AND the USA.

It doesn't matter if their moral stance is built on lies and dishonesty. Morality was never their lynchpin.