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[–] SPOOSER 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (26 children)

I think the fundamental issue with this is that it presumes that our understanding of morality is perfect. If an all-knowing, all-powerful God acted contrary to our understanding of morality, or allowed something to happen contrary to our understanding of morality it would make sense for us to perceive that as undermining our understanding of God, making him imperfect. An all-knowing, all-encomposing God may have an understanding that we as mortals are incapable of understanding or perceiving.

It presumes to know a perfect morality while also arguing that morality can be subjective. It doesn't make sense, just like an irrational belief in a God. I think the best way to go about this is to allow people to believe how they want and stop trying to convince people one way another about their beliefs. People get to believe differently and that is not wrong.

Edit: holy shit those reddit comments are full of /r/iamverysmart material lmfao

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I think the fundamental issue with this is that it presumes that our understanding of morality is perfect.

By that measure, all religions have the fundamental issue of presuming that they have any actual knowledge or understanding of their god(s).

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago (5 children)

But not all religions claim to have perfect knowledge of their god? Some acknowledge that god is greater and beyond our understanding

[–] SPOOSER -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

My point is that none of it makes sense. Our existence and consciousness in a vast universe doesn't make sense. So at the end of the day, who cares what someone else believes to cope with that? Bad shit happens, people will explain it was for one purpose or another, but at the end of the day bad shit just happens and we should do our best to stop it, regardless of whos fault it is.

It's so weird. Athiests claim to not believe in a god but then blame a god for when bad things happen, asking believers why their god would let it happen. Why do they care about what an imaginary god lets happen? Some sick fuck murdered a bunch of people, who gives a flying fuck what some random religon's god says about it?

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 1 points 3 months ago

So at the end of the day, who cares what someone else believes to cope with that?

I care as soon as religion causes suffering. Which was and still is the case. (Sorry, have to say it again.)

but at the end of the day bad shit just happens and we should do our best to stop it, regardless of whos fault it is.

Agreed.

Athiests claim to not believe in a god but then blame a god for when bad things happen

Personally, I can imagine that's frustration coming from people who may have been raised in a religious household. But I can't speak for all. Haven't heard from such a phenomenon though.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

who cares what someone else believes to cope with that?

I start caring then those "coping mechanisms" begin to be imposed on people who aren't members of that religion.

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