I smell desperation. There's ten of thousands of actors out there and they decide to re-hire RDJ? It feels like they're counting on his star power to save their precious Marvel shows and/or movies. It won't help, of course, because bad casting isn't why people stopped watching. People are superhero'ed out and yet they're pumping out Marvel shit like there's no tomorrow. And I do mean shit, the quality of Marvel movies fell off sharply after Endgame. The talent just isn't there, man. Stop.

[–] David_Eight@lemmy.world 66 points 3 months ago (2 children)

People are superhero'ed out

Deadpool 3 just had the 6th largest opening weekend of all time (and it's R-rated). People will go see good movies period, the MCU just hasn't been very good lately.

[–] Kevo@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I know it technically is a movie about superheroes, but I feel like Deadpool doesn't qualify as a standard "superhero movie"

[–] David_Eight@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think that's key to the success of future superhero movies. Deadpool is a R-Rated comedy, which gives Deadpool some novelty and keeps his character feeling fresh. Winter Soldier was a spy thriller, there was that X-men horror movie a few years ago (IDK if it's good, never saw it), the new joker movie is apparently a musical.

These are all different genres just with a superhero filter over them. The problem with the MCU as a whole is that they all feel the same and all the characters feel the same.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's what I've been saying for years. "Superheroes" is a flavour, not a genre. Just like "cops" or "soldiers". You can do any sort of movie genre with those flavours. The problem is that too often movie studios go with the safe option of "action comedy".

[–] Franfran2424@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

with extra cheap and unoriginal comedy.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Subverting the standard expectation is the way nearly all good superhero films get there, to the point that it is the expectation.

[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

Good point, I did not expect the Guardians of the Galaxy series to be a funny sitcom at its core but here we are.

[–] onlooker@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago

Okay yeah, true enough. Maybe it would be more accurate to say that people are now much less likely to go see a mediocre to bad superhero movies. To give an example, the first two Thors and Iron Man 3 weren't great, but they were still box office hits. I have to wonder if it would pan out the same way if they were released today.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

People are superhero’ed out

Nah. People are bad-film'ed out.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

People have been saying that "people are superhero'd out" since like before the MCU even existed.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There are comic plotlines where Dr. Doom is a variant of Iron Man. It’s not necessarily driven by some sort of desperation.

[–] onlooker@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yes, that would be one heck of a twist... if they hadn't revealed Dr. Doom's identity at Comic-Con. And we don't even know what the movie will be called, I might add. I think that if Disney was confident in whatever movie it is they're making, they would have kept RDJ's involvement on the down-low, to surprise the audience. Instead, they made this big hullabaloo about RDJ coming back.

Far as I can tell, the casting can be explained in one of two ways:

This Dr. Doom is an alternate universe version of Tony Stark. But if this is true, why the heck would they spoil the reveal?
Second option is even worse: no alternate universe chicanery. This is MCU's version of Doom. But that's just lazy casting.

[–] DaGeek247@fedia.io 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think that if Disney was confident in whatever movie it is they're making, they would have kept RDJ's involvement on the down-low, to surprise the audience. Instead, they made this big hullabaloo about RDJ coming back.

Disney famously broke the contract with Robin Williams to advertise him in Alladin. I don't think Disney would ever keep a big stars involvement 'on the down-low', regardless of how confidant they are about a movies success.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

They kept surprisingly quiet on several Deadpool/Wolverine characters. I'm not going to spoil anything for those who haven't seen it, but I was very surprised by several appearances.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago

It's still annoying that they spoiled the reveal of Spider Man in the trailers for Civil War. I try to always avoid trailers but there was no way to not know Spiderman made it into the MCU before seeing it in theatres.

[–] SirDerpy@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

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Questions?

[–] onlooker@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, hello. I recently found out that wikipedia has a whole article about you and the, uh, challenges you have faced over the years. In light of this, have you considered renaming your mascot to Dicky Louse?