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I know this might be a couple months old, but I didn't know we already passed 4%.

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[-] fiercekitten@lemm.ee 79 points 6 days ago

I don't think Microsoft (or Apple) want people to have personal computers anymore in the way that PCs have historically existed. That is to say, they don't want your computer capable of running arbitrary code of your choosing. They don't want your computer to have the potential to do everything, to run everything, to make anything.

They want to control and lock down all aspects of your machine and what it can do, retain ownership of hardware via software licenses, and monetize every click and keystroke.

Microsoft doesn't want you to have a functional computer anymore, they want you to have a dummy terminal that runs Office 365 and Copilot.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 3 days ago

I don't know that I agree. I think they do. However:

  • Apple only wants you to be able to do those things if you're buying the software through their store. Honestly I'm shocked they still allow you to "sideload" software on MacOS. They can be very unpredictable sometimes. And;

  • MS only wants you to be able to do those things if you're looking at their ads and they're monetizing your data.

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

They want PCs that work like smartphones, with apps completely self contained and unmodifiable, where the OS is a black box that no one but them can see in to.

[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Smartphones are actually a good window into what computers in general would have been like had the IBM bios not been reverse engineered and survived a bunch of legal challenges.

[-] ericjmorey@programming.dev 16 points 6 days ago

You'll own nothing and you'll be happy - Ida Auken

[-] egeres@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I think if it was up to them, and latency was low enough, they probably would have pushed some kind of "fully remote convertible laptop" where they literally own everything you do in a cloud, I don't even want to search if this is a thing that exist already

[-] Matthew@midwest.social 2 points 6 days ago

We've been most of the way their for a long while with thin clients. They have just enough computational capacity to connect to someone else infrastructure. Its also how schools use Chromebooks for the most part too

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[-] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 26 points 6 days ago

You're welcome guys. I installed Linux on an iMac yesterday. It was all me.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 3 days ago

I tried to do the same but mine has an Nvidia GPU :(

[-] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 1 points 2 days ago

Yes those can be a pain. Might be worth to give it a try though before ruling it out entirely. I did manage to get my old (non-mac) laptop working that had the combined intel and nvidia gpus that were a pain.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 2 days ago

I did try. It was awful LOL. Also I couldn't use my second monitor. This was with a distro that was supposed to support Nvidia. But if you know of one that specifically supports the 780M, I'm all ears.

[-] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Just a reminder to take the data in that site with a grain of salt. I used to share them a lot, but then decided to read more about their methodology, and turns out it's mostly a black box, so they may be subject to several kinds of biases, and we can't even know. For example, we don't know which sites use their analytics and if there's a geographical bias. We also don't know how their scripts work and how the data is collected from devices. It would be nice if we had more sources of marketshare data to compare

[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

For sure, I wish they gave us more data. The trend seems to be going up so that's nice.

[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 11 points 6 days ago

Glad for Linux going up, but the numbers should really come from Windows more than from MacOS.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

How much of this is regular people just not buying new computers anymore?

A lot of households that used to have had a laptop for each person have replaced those devices with phones and tablets. They weren't using Linux, so by removing them Linux market share would go up even if it hasn't actually grown.

[-] okamiueru@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Last I checked, Linux users also use phones.

[-] jacksilver@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

I think the argument is that as less people have desktops and laptops, the only people left will be more technical (otherwise they'd just use a phone or tablet). The more technical people are also likely to use Linux. So as non-technical people move to tablets and phones, technical people make up a larger share of laptop/desktop users.

[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Three cheers for King Torvalds and Lord Gaben!

[-] Allero 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yes, this was big news all over Lemmy when it happened.

Thanks for bringing it up though! Not everyone might have known that.

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[-] 1984 16 points 6 days ago

It's cool and all, but I'm surprised it's not 10% at this point. Microsoft is shitting in their customers mouth and Apple is a luxury brand at this point.

[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 24 points 6 days ago

Because every computer bought by the average human being, has Windows on it.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

4% is high considering there are probably more corporate desktops tham personal ones

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[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

For desktop or everything else. Because if its:

Web Servers, Supercomputers, Android Smartphones, Smart TVs, Network Routers, Network Switches, Embedded Devices, IoT Devices, NAS (Network-Attached Storage) Devices, Raspberry Pi, Smartwatches, Home Automation Devices, Google Chromebooks, Set-top Boxes, Drones, Digital Signage Devices, 3D Printers, Medical Devices, ATM Machines, Point of Sale (POS) Devices, Digital Cameras, Gaming Consoles, Virtual Private Servers (VPS), Automotive Infotainment Devices, Mainframes, Telecommunications Equipment, Scientific Research Equipment, Security Devices, Cloud Servers, Network Firewalls, Storage Area Networks (SAN), Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) Devices, Customer Relationship Management (CRM) Devices, Big Data Analytics Devices, Machine Learning Devices, Artificial Intelligence Devices, Financial Trading Devices, Air Traffic Control Devices, Spacecraft Control Devices, Weather Forecasting Devices, Broadcast Automation Devices, Railway Signaling Devices, Electric Grid Control Devices, Smart Meters, E-Readers, Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging Stations, Robotics Devices

then Linux (or some kind of *Nix system) is probably what is running it. The only market share I dont see is desktop.

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[-] sxan@midwest.social 13 points 6 days ago

Linux founder Linus Torvalds, for example, has suggested that a lack of a standardized desktop that goes across all Linux distros has held back Linux adoption on desktop.

Yeah. Well, in on Linux in large part because of the diversity, choice, and options. If I wanted a monolithic, incestuous lock-in culture, I'd be on Windows, or a Mac.

Linux may have been simply making an observation, not a judgment, but fuck monocultures.

[-] Land_Strider@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I'm thinking this comes from the consideration of taking imagery at the root of people's brains when they hear Linux. Reiterating elements of the Windows or Mac UI over the decades, even if they had small visual changes, enable a significantly large population of the world to imagine the desktop even just while mentioned in a passing. Anyone that doesn't use either of these OSes at least can have a basic imagery popping up about it due to constant advertising of the desktop via direct ads, support pages, tech websites using generic desktop images, screen shares, etc.

Linux is wild west in this regard. Everyone knows how Windows or MacOS looks like thanks to their abundant copies of descriptive bounty posters, but only other Linux users are familiar with other Linux desktops and that is usually as the names of fellow bounty hunters.

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[-] logi@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

fuck monocultures.

I have to disagree. We can't have too many monocultures.

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[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

seems I'm too boomer for this shit, apparently phones count as "personal computers".

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/

look at this graph and tell me that mac os is "dominant".

(the numbers for those who don't want to click the link)

Android = 43.86%

Windows = 27.97%

iOS = 17.8%

OS X = 5.64% (when did they stop calling it mac os?)

unknown = 1.96%

Linux = 1.44% (we're still last place guys!)

[-] graphene@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

Linux people generally use adblockers so I somewhat doubt all these analytics websites that don't have a methodology that wouldn't be blocked by adblockers listed

[-] peetabix@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Isn't ChromeOS just a flavour of Linux?

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

Technically, yes. Practically, it's complicated. It doesn't really exist within the same ecosystem as other Linux distros.

It's not as different as Android (which is also technically a Linux distribution), but running a normal DE and all the programs that come with it is very clearly still an advanced user thing locked behind knowledge of how bash and virtual environments work.

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