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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 84 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Rescheduling is a great step forward. Congress needs to pass legislation to decriminalize marijuana. It’s in their court now. Write your Senators and Representatives if you’re invested.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4591/all-actions

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah it's frustrating when people say the equivalent of "the best thing you can legally do isn't good enough! do a thing you can't legally do!"

Rescheduling it is the best the Biden admin can do.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Exactly. We can have more influence in decriminalization by paying attention to Senate and House vacancy dates and elections, and by writing them with our interests.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I wonder why people don't believe his hands are tied.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Schumer will reintroduce his fullscale cannabis legalization package tomorrow at a 12:30 presser with Sens. Wyden (D-Ore) and Booker (D-N.J.)

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Glad to see it, here's hoping the republicans don't republican the bill.

[–] bquintb@midwest.social 31 points 6 months ago

DANK BRANDON

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago (5 children)

IMO they should move alcohol up on the schedule

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Alcohol and tobacco are specifically not scheduled. They don't even fall under the same regulatory agency. They get their own special one with firearms of all things.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The problem is alcohol is way, way too easy to make for making it illegal to be feasible.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Now imagine if cannabis seeds were floating through the air all the time, and also used to produce a staple food, and you'll see how alcohol is even harder to regulate.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago

Cannabis plants are incredibly weedy and used to create hemp ... they're both difficult and not worth trying to make illegal.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Most drugs on the schedule are not illegal, just controlled. In fact, we already do control alcohol with things like age limitations. Due to the destructive nature of the drug, is it so incredible to control it further?

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Yes, prohibitions of addictive substances creates dangerous black markets and criminals out of addicts who usually need medical support not a judge or jail. We try to prevent children from driving, drinking, smoking, etc for the same reason we don't send children to jail & that's not a good way to legislate adult or general populations.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Most drugs on the schedule are also a lot harder to make than alcohol.

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[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 months ago

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[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I haven't looked it up, but isn't it a poison with no known medical use? That's schedule 1. Right next to heroin.

[–] Lemmeenym@lemm.ee 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It's a really good topical antiseptic.

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's also great at clearing out your stomach if you drink enough.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

And it's good for anesthesia

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure beer and wine would fit this description. It would seem, at lower concentrations, there is no medical use.

[–] adj16@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

You could say that about literally any medication…

[–] Ranvier@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Technically a treatment for methanol or ethylene glycol poisoning! Though we have a better one now. But yes the schedule system is a joke.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

And if rescheduled ironically when someone makes moonshine wrong and poisons themselves, a doctor could prescribe liquor to solve it.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 5 points 6 months ago

To what end? If we make alcohol more difficult to acquire, we are encouraging illegal markets as has been demonstrated. Making any drug illegal doesn't work.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes. But in Canada it took a long time to legalize it for whatever lawyering reasons. Long enough that people started to say decriminalize it first just so people wouldn't get criminal records for it (PSA: decriminalization is not legalization). So yes to both (or all three if you include rescheduling as something).

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 months ago

Germany's center-left government just legalized it, other countries should really do the same

[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

  • MLK jr
[–] Ltcpanic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Dang, great quote. Hits different

[–] irish_link@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago
[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Can't until we rewrite or break some treaties.

[–] dankm@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 months ago

Bah, Canada's part of the same treaties. We still did it.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Always something preventing us from doing the right thing.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

No, the actual advocates are calling for it's decriminalization, which is a very, very different thing than mere legalization.

Legalization merely means that it becomes acceptable for the privileged while leaving enough law in place to allow the pig to still use it as a pretext to wage war on the marginalized - as is the case with the notorious "Swedish Model" when it comes to sex work.

[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You must mean decriminalization in your 2nd paragraph?

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Which advocates for marijuana are calling for it just to be decriminalized and not fully legalized?

Also: You have a unique definition of what legalization vs decriminalization means that I don't think the majority of literate people would agree with.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Legalization implies decriminalization and more. Decriminalized but not legalized substances are still banned, but they just carry civil penalties instead of criminal ones (so like a small fine instead of a massive fine and/or jail time). With legalization, the substance is unbanned entirely and can be sold by legal businesses or private citizens on the legal market, though subject to whatever other regulations apply to it.

It won't stop cops from harassing minorities or anyone they don't like because they don't need a reason to do so and will make up one to try to get away with it. But it will remove a common excuse to harass them.