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[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 60 points 1 month ago

This is kinda funny, but extremely fake. I'm a second generation immigrant. I can attest that obtaining a credit card without citizenship is basically impossible, and very difficult even with a green card.

Also, when people from Asia travel they usually have dual currency credit cards that work very well in their country and the west. All the major financial organizations have offices in China. Hell you can get a dual currency card from the bank of China in MasterCard or Visa.

[-] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

Getting a credit card with a green card is not hard at all, what are u smoking.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

It is if your country isn't on the western credit based system.... A recent immigrant isn't going to have a loan or mortgage, and most often are in low income jobs, or even paid under the table.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Nah, my SIL is Chinese with a green card and has credit cards and even a mortgage. Arrived in 2017.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Sister in law...... Which means she is married to an American. I didn't say it was impossible, just very difficult for most immigrants.

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[-] besbin@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

First Gen immigrant here. Credit card obtainment is itself not that hard if you already have guardians or sponsors who are willing to cosign your paperworks. If you don't even have that then it would have been impossible for you to even legally get into this sh*t hole to begin with so I have no idea why you said it was hard.

The hard part is getting a credit line as high as 100k without a stable income and high credit score. Even many US citizens I known don't even have close to that numbers in all their accounts combined fresh out of college. The conman in the post either already have rich relatives who are paying it back or must have lost even more cash withdrawn from China to bankroll his "scam"

Lastly, regardless of how you spent that money, it's still entrapped inside the US economy and thus not enrich his own country at all. Unless they bought gold or cash back to China, of course

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

Credit card obtainment is itself not that hard if you already have guardians or sponsors who are willing to cosign your paperworks.

Pretty large "if" for a lot of immigrant communities.

[-] Amanduh@lemm.ee 46 points 1 month ago

I mean it would be cool if you could do this in a country and then leave and never go back, I think a lot of people would take that deal lol, I would take that deal lol

I wrecked my credit when I was younger.

I am now building it up again to do just this. Except I won’t be leaving the country they can just send me letters for 10 years before giving up again.

[-] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

its true. its unsecured debt. they can't take your possessions. they can only send letters, call until you tell them to stop, and get judges to say "yep he owes that" (judgements)

Exactly. The only one to be careful with is government debt like not paying council tax. They’ll take it straight from your wages.

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[-] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 month ago

Assuming this is real, how would this shake out? If they leave the country, would those banks be able to get their money from this person?

[-] StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

If they truly never step foot in america again, they just may get away with it assuming China wont play nice with america.

[-] Bleys@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

This is definitely not real. There’s no way an international student got $140k in credit with no collateral. A tenth of that MAYBE but at that point there’s plenty of Americans doing the same thing anyways.

[-] Venator@lemmy.nz 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They might've done it fraudulently using fake names?

Or they might be able to get that with no collateral if they had a good credit rating, a lot of Chinese international students have very wealthy parents so they could've got a good rating over the course of study...

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah the only way this is real is through identity theft, which would be fucked up no matter how much you hate America. More likely it's just a troll post.

[-] Bleys@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Credit rating doesn’t translate across countries. Even the US and Canada don’t share credit rating info (source: I’m a US citizen living in Canada and my credit history in Canada started from nothing), so the US and China definitely won’t. And banks are absolutely not giving favorable rates to students yet alone international students.

In fact if anything because international students get the worst tuition rates and few to no scholarships, then if OP’s story was real they would have spent minimum $20k a year just in tuition over four years, not even counting room and board. So if they did try to abscond with a more realistic credit card debt of like $10k they’d still be way underwater.

The only way this would maybe work is if they had a full ride scholarship, but only top schools like Stanford/Harvard give substantial scholarships to international students and at that point the student would be throwing away 4 years of a top top education for a relatively trivial amount of money, keeping in mind that again they’re never getting six figures in credit.

[-] TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 month ago

Really depends on the country you’d be going to.

If it has these same financial companies in them or any credit bureaus that factor in debt from here then you could run into issues.

If not then from what I remember reading this would actually work if you’re not planning on coming back since typically unpaid debt isn’t a crime and definitely not one a country would extradite over.

[-] veroxii@aussie.zone 12 points 1 month ago

I had an American house mate here in Australia. He maxed out a bunch of credit and got into trouble. Eventually he just left Australia and went back to the States and defaulted on everything.

As far as I know nothing happened to him and the Australian banks couldn't do anything. I mean from their perspective he just dropped off the map with no contact details valid anymore.

This was around 2010.

[-] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Also if it starts happening regularly, they will stop giving CC to Chinese nationals

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

Outstanding move!

[-] brainw0rms@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago
[-] Addv4@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Wouldn't they just be able to come after him when he gets to China? Plus I don't think they have bankruptcy as a real option, so....

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

That would depend entirely on the Chinese judiciary's level of cooperation. Which probably will be very low unless China somehow stands to gain from it.

[-] Addv4@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Looks at guy suddenly with $140k."

Life, uh, finds a way?

[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, if it were a random European country it would not fly. China, who knows. They might just donate half to the state, willingly or not and its all good from their end.

[-] underwire212@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

Depends whether 140k would be pursued. Honestly, probably not. Would cost hell of a lot more for the banks, legal, government agencies to try and get them to pay.

[-] fubarx@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Can all those people the UK is threatening to deport to Rwanda not do this? Or will they be extradited back to UK?

What a conundrum.

[-] casmael@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

Can someone straighten this pls thnx x

[-] Aquila@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 month ago
[-] casmael@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

Thanx babe x

[-] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Same braincell.

[-] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago
[-] casmael@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

Way more readable thanks hun x

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago
[-] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Samsung photo editor

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago
[-] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

From an unsecured loan, this is barely a rounding error for a big bank.

Jokes on him, he likely spent hundreds of thousands living and finishing University in the US. If anything he barely breaks even in the eyes of the government, and is bringing 140k of the banks money to china, which isn't a big deal.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I steal a whole million dollars myself. Your country is bad.

[-] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

The business of banks is to trap people on debt and make money on interest, so screwing up banks is a good thing in my book.

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