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I am planning on having children in the next 10 years (not that I care about the financial burden). When I thought about this I decided to make up some advice:

"Spare the rod literally but not metaphorically."

Basically yes, corporal punishment is too cruel, you still need to discipline the child in other ways. How can this be executed? Life lessons are my pitch.

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[–] ProbablyKaffe@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

tell them specifically what they did wrong and why they shouldn't do it, explain how their behavior could backfire on them

[–] Andrzej@lemmy.myserv.one 21 points 5 months ago
  1. Be prepared to do this several thousand times
[–] Farvana@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Natural consequences" is the buzzword. Make sure the consequences fit the action. You squirted most the toothpaste into the aink? You don't get access to toothpaste, and mom/dad have to do your toothbrush.

This works with my kid because they value their autonomy very highly. Your child may value things differently.

Something to keep in mind: the goal isn't to be a high-discipline parent, it's to be a consistent parent. Express expectations and consequences, then hold to them. This helps children feel secure, and dramatically reduces testing behaviors (not to zero but much lower).

[–] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Mine:

"Alex, your room is so dirty!" "But it wasn't my fault." "Yes it is, you didn't clean when you were supposed to." "But cleaning is hard." "No it isn't, I'll teach you how to clean so you so you can do the rest."

[–] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

if they cause any damage, instead of going berserk on the child then clean it up, make the child repair the damage while explaining things. even tho force is a no, moral punishment is fair game, like temporally not permitting x activity or object due to poor behavior. and lastly going the other way around, reward good behavior without spoiling the child, to maybe create in him a sense of being productive instead of paranoia from being punished for small things.

idk, maybe I'm just projecting how i wanted to the raised because i was raised like a inmate, looked the wrong direction get the stick, instead of this turning me in to a upstanding person the only things i learned was to shut myself in, lie, cheat and wiggle my way out of situations to avoid punishment.

anyway i think you gonna do great, since you are showing concern now, instead on winging it and possibly taking revenge on what was done to you on your own child.

[–] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

reward good behavior without spoiling the child

Trips outside the home are great rewards imo. Especially given I am bored of being terminally online. As for punishments maybe something across the lines of "clean the stove" or "no TV* for one week" would suffice, my response to lashouts would be "You need to learn how to behave without TV first before you can have it back".

*I refuse to give my child an iPad for obvious reasons since they need to learn basic shit like cleaning and reach the age of 14 first.

[–] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

What reasons? Look up iPad kids. My brother is one albeit with a Samsung phone instead.

The best response to "Why can't I have iPad?" is "Because parents back in my day just give their kids iPads to keep them but didn't teach the children to behave properly, and I want you to behave without the iPad first which is why you can't have one until you're 14."

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I feel like it would be better to explain why too much time on tech is bad and encourage them to spend their time doing physical things or reading rather than acting like they “don’t deserve” it.

[–] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Speaking of "why spend time irl" my reasoning would be "Because one day, you will have to focus on the real world and you will have less time on the iPad so it's better to prepare for thst day while you're still little."

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago

“You’ll have to be a miserable people one day so don’t get used to freedom.” That’s exactly why I don’t want to be on my phone.

What I mean is “reading and drawing and exploring outside and playing games are much more fun than whatever fake stimulation you get from a screen.”

[–] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

encourage them to spend time doing physical things

Which is the point of me not giving them gadgets until they're 14 and regular trips around the neighborhood (on foot) to begin with.

[–] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

i with queer on this one, u should keep then from smartphones and similar due to it is not a reward for good behavior, it is a sedative to keep your child under control, and that is bad parenting, specially with how internet works now with shorts videos, content farm sewage, my nephew watches this i'm horrified with what i've seen.

ofc, today we can't shut someone off completely off screens nor play the reactinary macho that started to hunt dear at the age of 3, u can let him watch cartoons, movies or play video games, on tv ofc and for a limited time per day, consume stuff that is mind engaging instead of dopamin bombs we have on internet. and depending turns it into a bonding activity, like watch a movie together, play video games, discuss the movie after and so on.

but as queer said, focus primarily on physical stuff, going outside, specially with other children, estimule the habit of reading since a early age, it will be helpful in life.

[–] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago

Same. I know some places in my area that are worth visiting every once in a while and some I am considering going to. I also saw some pretty good childrens toys made of wood that look like they can last a lifetime and spark some memories of mine so why not.

And personally even if they turn 14 I am not letting them have the abomination known as TikTok (just Tiktok) until they are at least 17 and even then I don't want to hear ear-destroying Tiktok audio at the dinner table.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Time outs, revoking privileges (screen time, dessert, eating out, whatever) with warnings if they persist in doing something bad.

[–] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago

"No, you spilled the flour so you have to clean it. It's not hard to clean what you spilled."

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 5 months ago

Also, don’t be a hypocrite.

[–] ApexHunter@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

When they do something wrong, there is a perceived reward for that action. So the goal of discipline is to have a net outcome that negates that reward. But also please keep in mind that you can't just focus on correcting wrong behavior - you must also reward good behavior!

What discipline looks like will change dramatically throughout your child's life.

When they are little you are looking more at modeling good and reinforcing/rewarding good behavior than punishing bad behavior. If there is an object responsible for their negative behavior, remove it (that includes putting your cell phone/device away). If your childs behavior is negatively affecting other children/people around them, put them in timeout. You'll spend a lot of time saying phrases like "hands are not for hitting".

As they get older discipline will need to be more taylored to the individual and what motivates them. My daughter is highly motivated by praise and melts into tears at any hint that she did something wrong. My son on the other hand is more motivated by self reward and he will continue to act out if the "consequence" is worth paying to him.

With my daughter we focus more on setting "long term" goals and rewards, and very delicately give verbal corrections for behavior. I expect things will get a lot harder with her as she enters puberty.

With my son, we establish smaller rewards for good behavior (or whatever it is we are working on) and award them often. If we "catch him being good" we will give him a reward on the spot. For little things there we try to have natural consequences. When bigger issues happen there is a "larger consequence"; this is usually variable and based on severity of the issue, but also must "sting" enough that he doesn't judge that to be a price he is willing to pay. We try to tie it to whatever action he took, but barring that the default is usually a loss of screen time (which is what he wants to do 24/7). The consequence is usually tempered if he is honest with us (because he will lie to try to get out of it, which is hilarious at this age but will be a real problem if it continues when he gets older), and is substantially negated if he comes to us and tells us before we discover it. We usually try to sit down with him and talk through what happened so he understands why it was wrong. If it involved another person, we try to get him to engage his empathy and look at it from the other person's perspective and how that person must have felt (which sometimes results in tears, but that tells us it clicked at some level). Depending on what he did we will also try to help him understand how those actions can affect his relationship with that person beyond just that moment.

You can probably guess which child receives more discipline. But hopefully you will also see that the approach we take is taylored to what works for each individual.