this post was submitted on 15 Sep 2023
491 points (98.0% liked)

Climate - truthful information about climate, related activism and politics.

5197 readers
663 users here now

Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

Recommended actions to cut greenhouse gas emissions in the near future:

Anti-science, inactivism, and unsupported conspiracy theories are not ok here.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
all 48 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Serinus@lemmy.ml 163 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She's not wrong. It's insane that we're still burning coal and oil.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There's also no hope. The small group of owners with power aka capital will continue to run the table for short term profit until they have to retreat to their luxury climate bunkers, then they'll keep ordering it to be done from those luxury climate bunkers until collapse, and the peasants will be too afraid of losing their subsistence opiates (social media, "reality" tv, fast food, literal opiates, etc) to lift so much as a pitchfork.

Which is why I respect Greta for doing what billions of us ought to be doing. She is a just person in an unjust world doing what's right in defiance of it. The tragedy is that if the world joined her in rejecting and remaking our consumerist, profiteer controlled, growth/metastasis addicted civilization, there would be hope, which is why the owners and their cheerleader sycophant peasants hate her so. She's a symbol of what could have been, humanity caring for humanity and our shared fragile habitat as a species, a sentiment the capitalists traded away a long time ago in the name of ~~insatiable greed~~ "rational self-interest."

"Do not go gentle into that good night... Rage, rage against the dying of the light." -Dylan Thomas

[–] BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 20 points 1 year ago

I'd rather see the mansions burn than the forests. Fuck standing in front of something. They want to sell gas?

Buy some.

[–] YungOnions@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I think that's a rather pessimistic view on things. Greta isn't alone, she's one of the more prominent figures in a global movement demanding change. A movement which is rapidly gaining momentum and effectiveness. She isn't a symbol of 'what might have been', she's a symbol of what's to come. I know that all that's happening around the world is frustrating and scary, but it's important to remain optimistic. Pessimism only benefits the status quo.

[–] toasteecup@lemmy.world 106 points 1 year ago

Say what you want, She abides by her morals and I respect it.

[–] Skkorm@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago

No fucks given, Atta girl

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

good, she's testing the legal system so others know what punishment they'll face for protesting, we already know that the first offence is likely to only result in a middling fine and here's hoping that's all the courts continue with.

[–] rustyricotta@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

Also she's a public figure now, so they can't treat her too terribly. Which means that if they treat others unfairly for the same thing, it could raise hell.

[–] Maddie@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 year ago

I love her!

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 year ago

The moral and ethical thing to do. Brave of her to stand for the survival of our ecosystem, even if it means facing arrest.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sweden doing its part to ensure no one tries to stop us from burning alive.

[–] HERRAX@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

I mean, most countries are guilty of that right now, and I feel like a $200 fine for this is on the lower side (in comparison to other countries) of punishment.

[–] TheaoneAndOnly27@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago (5 children)

There are 25 comments. If you block that troll asshole there are 6 😂

[–] thejevans@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Looks like they're banned or something now. I didn't block them, but the comments are all gone on my end, now.

[–] MartinXYZ@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was unaware, but I must have them blocked. The counter says 28 but I only see 12.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago

I banned some of the trolls, and wiped their comments. Lemmy hides the rest of the thread when I do that.

[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I'm in the same boat, because it says 32 but I only see 16. Which is amusing because I've only blocked like two non-bots, both of which for previously trolling. Some people need to get a life lol.

[–] spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

I was very confused reading these comments at first. I must have that idiot blocked already.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, there are a bunch of people who spend their time searching for her name so that they can troll

[–] nothingcorporate 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

shoot, I was hoping trolls and corporate apologists would have stayed on Reddit.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 year ago

That's not going to happen when we have people paid to generate disinformation.

[–] spiderjuzce@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] XTornado@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Tbh I saw the streaming of when she appeared on that new extension on land that they were planning in Germany to mine more coal, were there were activists on tress with zip lines to go from tree to tree. And like the police I think stopped so they took pictures and all that... so it's not a normal detention that's for sure as they know it wouldn't look good...

But maybe I misremembering tbh.

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That dang kid gone end up Guantanamo.