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submitted 11 months ago by quazar@lemmy.world to c/memes@lemmy.ml

i just made this right now, after trembling at my first professional correspondence with an old highschool friend.

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[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 72 points 11 months ago

Psst, don't tell anyone, but we're all dumbasses pretending we know shit

[-] squaresinger@feddit.de 40 points 11 months ago

If Stackoverflow and Google go down for a week at the same time, we are all out of a job. And the whole world burns.

[-] mintiefresh@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 months ago

Everyone says ChatGPT can't tell if it's wrong. Well neither can I!

[-] squaresinger@feddit.de 7 points 11 months ago

If the answer is wrong, but nobody realises it's wrong, is it still wrong?

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago

You're hired! Welcome aboard here at the Boeing Company.

[-] Sheltac@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Speak for yourself.

I don’t even pretend.

[-] RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Hay! I know things!!!

Like, uh, javascript sucks! Haha, amirite!?

(But no really I hate js so much)

[-] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 5 points 11 months ago

Bruh, at least it ain't Java

[-] DarkenLM@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

Between JS and VB.NET, give me JS anytime, even if it's ES3.

But modern JS is way better than what it was a decade ago. It's a pretty solid language now.

[-] RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Given I have to work relatively often in legacy VB, I wholeheartedly agree. But I'd kill to be working in C# instead.

Strongly typed is life!

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago

And we never stop pretending.

[-] Rhaedas@kbin.social 16 points 11 months ago

Realizing you may not know something isn't a bad thing, it's a step to understanding. The people who think they know it all regardless of the evidence presented are the problem ones.

[-] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

I’ve worked with people like that. They’re the real dumbasses.

[-] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

We all are. Even the tech lead at the top of your program is only good at what they're good at (bad attempt at humor removed) Nobody knows everything and most of us are just googling stackoverflow like you are.

[-] seukari@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

As a female tech lead, its comforting to know I don't exist!

[-] sweeny@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Rhetoric like this discourages women from becoming engineers, saying that a female tech lead isn't even a possibility is ~~pretty~~ sexist. For the record, if you had just said "he" without the sassy parenthetical I wouldn't have batted an eye.

*Now that I think about it, pretty sexist is an understatement, it's just plain sexist. Female tech leads exist, look it up, and stop perpetuating sexist ideas in tech

[-] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 3 points 11 months ago

I apologize. That was meant to be a humorous commiseration on the state of a profession that tends to be gender biased, but clearly I missed.

[-] seukari@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Just noticed this, fair play to you! Sorry for the misunderstanding :)

[-] sweeny@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Both! You're probably a lot better than you give yourself credit for but also haven't made enough mistakes yet to see the error of your code

[-] Jackolantern@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

We don’t know shit. It’s just some of us are better at pretending otherwise. Just do your best OP.

[-] words_number@programming.dev 10 points 11 months ago

Not being sure about that is the essence of impostor syndrome.

[-] fist_of_fartitude@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Eventually you'll realize those aren't mutually exclusive.

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

There are five levels of competence

  1. Incompetent and doesn't know it.
  2. Incompetent and does know it.
  3. Competent and doesn't know it.
  4. Competent, and knows it.
  5. Expert, but still often feels clueless.
[-] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I have 20 years experience, just cracked a project I've been working on for almost three years, and I still hesitate to consider myself an expert.

Now, I'll tell any lay person who will listen that I'm an expert, but man, some days I just feel clueless.

I find the biggest issue I run into is lack of a peer group. I work in a large IS department, but other than one guy at my last company who works with a different language, I have no one to talk shop with.

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Once one gets to a high level of expertise, it seems there are fewer peers around - people who can teach something new, or give a perspective not already explored.

It all depends on where you work, and whether there are any user groups frequented by veterans.

[-] eezeebee@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago
[-] rodhlann@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

Not to worry, this feeling never goes away

[-] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Just became a director not too long ago. I'm still waiting for them to realize that I don't know WTF I'm doing.

[-] moonmeow@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

We are human and we don't know everything.

You most likely have gotten to the level for a position, for which you then build into and become more skilled.

You don't arrive to a position (or anything for that matter) knowing everything. But you know enough to begin.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 4 points 11 months ago

When you're a beginner, it's both. The further you get into your career, it's usually imposter syndrome. Then again the more you know, the more you realize you don't know.

[-] MaxVerstappen@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I started this way but I've been in my field for a few years and now I can't tell if I'm pretty good or if everyone else is just terrible.

[-] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

Talk to colleagues about it. I didn't and the stress ate my soul until I had to take a mental health break. Most of the time you are not more of an idiot than they are and they have things to say about you that make them feel insufficient.

Some are just idiots though, but they often feel too confident to realize.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Don't worry, it's both

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

This applies to any career, I think.

[-] catdaemon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

If this feeling ever goes away, you’ve become over confident and will get back to it eventually.

[-] Rolando@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Nobody knows everything, but everybody knows something.

[-] keeb420@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago
[-] zanyllama52@infosec.pub 3 points 11 months ago

Then you know what you don't know, which is an aspect of knowledge.

[-] Rolando@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

In fact in Plato's Apology, Socrates argues that nobody in Athens is wiser than him (Socrates) because none of them are really wise, but at least Socrates knows that he's ignorant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing

[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Do you know that?

[-] tara@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Dw you’ll get there :)

[-] a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

Even when you finally think you understand how something works, it's only temporary. Give it enough time and you'll look back at mysterious code you wrote years ago and think "Wow, they sure knew what they were doing!"

[-] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

It’s both

[-] MrOzwaldMan@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

For me, it's, "Is this good enough to get me a job. Some dude already got a whole ass facebook or twitter in his resume no forks."

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