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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 97 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Jesus in canon was only violent one time and it was against the merchant class. In some translations they were merely set up outside the temple not even in it. He also called for a new Jubilee, which is cyclic debt forgiveness holiday.

Capitalism is anti christian and has been from the beginning.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 44 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Although he is credited with the modern phrase, a version of Marx's "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" can be found in the New Testament.

³² And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. ³³ And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. ³⁴ Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, ³⁵ And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

-- Book of Acts

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

They'd be the ones to crucify him a second time if he got his way with humanity.

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Oh, that's a nice tidbit to remember whenever someone asks for more faith in the govt.

"Yes sounds great, let's start by making Jubilee a national holiday where we forgive student debts and delinquent loans. Just like in the scriptures"

[–] Glowstick@lemmy.world 70 points 5 months ago (4 children)

It's baffling how anyone could call themself a christian and also be against feeding people

https://www.openbible.info/topics/feeding_the_hungry

[–] dditty@lemm.ee 63 points 5 months ago
[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

While we're at it, he wasn't a fan of public displays if faith either

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They clearly don't believe in Jesus. At this point they are just pretending to be Christians and destroying it from within, at least in the US. American-style Christianity still hasn't spread everywhere, yet.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They believe in the Jesus their pastor tells them about. They don't read the Bible.

But I'm not going to call them fake Christians. That's a 'no true Scotsman.' They worship Christ, so they are Christians. It doesn't matter that they don't worship the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible was fictional anyway.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I am not the one calling them fake Christians, God did

James 2:10 "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it." The Bible said to take care of the poor and sick, fairly simple commandment, and they are failing to follow it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (13 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

They worship Christ. They are Christians.

No one can follow everything in the Bible. It contradicts itself all over the place.

[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 4 points 5 months ago

It's not like jesus is super rightwing sometimes. This is like saying I'm a batman fan despite my idea of batman being a guy who fights with a katana and shoots lasers from his toes because no true Scotsman

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They believe in the Jesus their pastor tells them about. They don't read the Bible

How very old school Catholic of them! I guess King Jr wasn't the only Martin Luther who would have a problem with them 😉

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Think of the moral hazard! If we feed the children they will grow up to expect society to be set up for their benefit! The horror!

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 60 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Today's "Christians" are absolutely KILLING Christianity because the kids see the dishonesty, blasphemy and hypocrisy - most young people want nothing to do with it, except those who see a free lunch in it.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Honestly, I was down with Christianity until college. I'm not Catholic, but I attended a Catholic University. I was raised Lutheran.

College was a really good experience for me. I got a good education, made friends, and had fun. I still have good feelings about the school.

However, the hypocrisy of the conservative Catholic leaders of the university, and their cowardice in the face of a calm discussion of issues, led me to see that the Christianity I was taught to believe, while overwhelmingly positive, was not lived by most people who claimed to be Christian.

Edit: that was about 33 years ago.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

I had similar experiences in Christian high school I was forced in to, and in discussions with my parents. It's pure blasphemy to have any intellectual discussions and not simply agree with what your leaders around you believe.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Weak move you should have started your own church adhering to the original Christian values and started a holy war.

[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago
[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As I became an adult, it became clear to me that it was just an excuse for my narcissistic parents to not have to take responsibility for their actions.

"I'll have to answer to God when I die."

How convenient. So you'll never answer to those of us you wronged.

[–] The2500@thelemmy.club 3 points 5 months ago

It's actually quite fascinating how ubiquitous this is throughout religion in history.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm not sure you've paid attention to such parts of its history as pornocracy, trade in indulgence papers, reformation wars, slave bibles with parts about slavery not being Christian censored out, church support for Hitler and Stalin, today's Vatican having best relationships with genocidal dictatorships (ones destroying Christian heritage at that), need I go on?

EDIT: That was about "today's".

Having said all that, being resilient to rotten authority and fighting against that is too part of Christianity as a religion.

[–] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I heard this kind of started happening in the 1940’s or so, but then there was a big resurgence of religion for some reason in the 50’s. I can only imagine where we’d be if that didn’t happen.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

Oh yeah that’s it! Thanks

[–] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 55 points 5 months ago (2 children)

imo, it's the theatrics that bring people in the coughcultcough.

buuut this formula works:

less food in school => low performance in school => less educated => more "faith" => easily swayed by "faith" people

i am brought up by generations of teachers so i tend to value education somewhat.

[–] FreddyDunningKruger@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

The attack on education has a lot of benefits for them, but high on the list: they dont want critical thinkers. They want people who can be manipulated into "voting 3rd party", or who can be lulled into apathy, so that they can enact Project 2025.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Also faith-based charities and services like to step into the void created by defunding social services. I'm seeing it on a daily basis.

[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 28 points 5 months ago

But JEEEESUS said "capitalism is good".

"Why should I pay for poor kids' food? Jesus wouldn't like that." /s

Against making a show of prayer? Check

Feeding a ton of people at personal expense, but not making them pay for it? Check.

Jesus was too woke for modern Christians. Something something crucify him again.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Amen!

On a related note, many students in the USA who rely on free school lunches experience food insecurity over the summer break.

If you can afford it, consider making a donation to programs that help to meet this need right now. Check with your county to find out what organization serves them.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago

"Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you."

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%205%3A1-6&version=NIV

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago

Alternate edit: Replace “prayer” with “guns”.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

I initially read it as "a fetish so false" and honestly I'm not sure which version is better.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

They’re all about the suffering. Someone else’s suffering.

[–] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This has been true of Christianity for centuries upon centuries. Not that it's unique in that...

[–] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago
[–] Delusional@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Religion was created for the sole purpose of control so yeah.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Lunches won’t get the kids into heaven who are killed in school shootings.

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