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  • Ukraine destroyed columns of waiting Russian soldiers with HIMARS, a Ukrainian commander said.
  • He said Ukraine targeted them as soon as it got permission to use allied weapons across the border.
  • Military experts say Ukraine's ability to use Western-supplied weapons in Russia is aiding its fightback.
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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 22 points 2 days ago

Military experts say Ukraine's ability to use Western-supplied weapons in Russia is aiding its fightback.

Wow, thank God for that expert analysis.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 143 points 3 days ago

I wish they didn't have to wait for things like this. It sucks that Ukraine is at the whims of other countries while it's trying to fight to maintain its sovereignty.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 60 points 3 days ago

It makes me so depressed thinking about how many thousands of Ukrainian lives could’ve been saved by just giving Ukraine full and enthusiastic support immediately instead of dragging it out this long.

[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 47 points 3 days ago

This was done on purpose so the crisis didn't escalate. There's no world police to prevent Russia from nuking everyone. It's better for outside actors to focus on de-escalation anyway.

Also, Putin is not doing this because of Ukraine. I mean that's part of it, but he is doing it for domestic appeal. He wants to appear tough to Russian citizens. Two situations allow that: beating Ukraine easily, and losing to NATO forces. He knows NATO will not risk invading Russia, so he's in no real danger from the second one.

NATO is intentionally not intervening because it makes Putin look weak domestically. Russia has created their own problem and the war will not end until the people of Russia demand it.

[-] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

The only thing that modern diplomacy teaches nation states today is that they need to get nukes as quickly as possible

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 10 hours ago

Nukes are good, but in fact full arsenal, from home-produced small mortars to MRBMs, and a standing military. Actually, if possible, all the means of power projection the big guys have. Including even proxy militants. Because the big guys back up their words with the blood of the small guys anyway.

[-] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

You're speaking about the means of which to project military power on the ground with direct action, I'm talking about the nature of nuclear weapons as a deterrent and how that changes the way soft and hard power is applied.

Nukes make it so that no direct combat need ever take place, look at NK or the inverse where we are applying sanctions against Iran for a current parallel.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

It requires very rigid discipline to threaten your enemy with MAD. The more tasks you can solve without testing your own faction's discipline, the better. If every parking place argument gets to threats of nuking the opponent, because you can't threaten anything else, either eventually you'll have to use MAD for such a small cause, or you'll step back on that and then there'll be something a bit more important over which you'll threaten MAD.

And so on, until MAD is in practice useless for you.

[-] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago

The language you are using reads like you're discussing an RTS.

There's no requirement for any rigid posture except maintaining control over said nuclear arms. Most of NK saber rattling is done to aquire aid and material. Merely having Nuclear arms and demonstrating that control and willingness to use them as a defensive measure is all that's needed. Other countries and powers on the global stage will modify or attenuate their position based on the demonstration of said control

I suggest reading these to better understand my position.

https://oxfordre.com/politics/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780190228637.001.0001/acrefore-9780190228637-e-347

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA585975.pdf

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 hours ago

And it's fine when there are states behaving with the responsibility of an RTS player. Will read, thx

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[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's Putin's doing. His bluff was strong and he had a big pile of material, so the West is using a Russia technique known as the salami slice method, by slowly escalating and gauging the reaction from Putin. It means no world war 3 scenario, no allies that have to come to his defense and also not letting Putin taking whatever he wants with just bluff and threatening speeches. It is costly in lives and material though.

[-] b3an@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Can't make salami without grinding meat I guess. As dark as that sounds. I thank every soul who's been fighting against that thugtatorship.

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 82 points 3 days ago

Good. Make Russian civilians see the horrors of the war they support personally.

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[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 72 points 3 days ago

Pretty sure the kremlin is a legitimate military target

[-] ArcaneGadget@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

Wonder if they could make an explosive filled Cessna stealthy enough for that...

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago

They don't need stealth apparently. They have gotten drones into that airspace.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago

It's a joke about a guy landing a Cessna in Red Square.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago
[-] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 32 points 3 days ago

"So sad that the Ukrainian government cares so little about it's people it is giving Russia an excuse to demolish Ukraine."

- Some Israel Supporter, probably

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago

I'm waiting for these wars to finally come full circle and for Israel to start selling Russia weapons it got from the United States on the cheap.

[-] RyanLiu@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

“Destroyed"? Don't you mean "killed" columns of Russian soldiers? Even if they are in the wrong, these are still lives that are lost, not some equipment.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

In the military it's common to talk about groups of soldiers the same way you talk about equipment. Because the crucial information isn't their humanity, it's their utility to the war effort. "Destroyed" is usually used to mean a unit is so broken it must be combined with other units and different militaries have different definitions of exactly how many casualties that takes.

[-] qevlarr@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Not sure, I heard they're actually orcs

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