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[–] Carnelian@lemmy.world 72 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Could make it perfect just by shaving some material off, it’s missing the appropriate gaps between E and F, and B and C

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago

Came here just to note this. So close!

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 months ago

I was just going to say "That's not right."

You were so much kinder and more helpful. Which is why you're you and I'm me.

[–] RogueBanana@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah but it would make the job much more complicated as very few would know and care about it to do it right.

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 65 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)
  • C
  • C#
  • D
  • D#
  • E
  • E𝄲
  • F
  • F#
  • G
  • G#
  • A
  • A#
  • B
  • B𝄲
  • C
  • C#
  • D
  • Mystery note
  • C
  • C#
  • ...
[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Amazing that you can tell. They all look the same to me.

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lol their joke is that the layout doesn't actually match a piano. Normally there are seven white keys and five black keys. So E# isn't a thing, that's just F. And B# isn't a thing, that's C.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Makes me wonder why they even bothered to have 7 different notes instead of 6, with B# and E# as valid notation.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

First, you don't have to, it's a useful convention.
Since the middle ages, the west has used a seven note scale with five whole steps and two half steps. This gives one scale, c major, with seven natural (neither flat nor sharp) notes.

As an aside, I believe there are six note scales.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There are 12 notes in most Western music. When you double a frequency you go up an octave, but keep the same note.

Music is played in different "keys" though with 7-note scales, with letters assigned A-G. If you play the notes in order starting and ending at the letter for which the scale is named, then do the same for a different scale, the relationship between the notes will sound the same between the 2 scales, but your starting and ending pitch will be different.

Piano keys are arranged with all 12 notes being available, but arranged in the key of C-major or A-minor, where all notes are natural notes (no sharps or flats).

If you play just the white keys starting from C, you'll be playing a C-major scale : C, D, E, F, G, A, and B. However, to play the F-major scale, you're going to need to skip one white key and hit a black key: (F, G, A, Bb, C, D, and E). No letter repeats on a scale.

A sharp (#) or flat (b) note is just moving the smallest step you can to the right or left, respectively. For most notes, that's moving to a black key, but there's no black key between B and C or E and F sometimes it's moving to another white key.

Why don't we just ignore weird notes like Cb? Because every letter needs to be represented on a scale. Ab-minor, for instance has Ab, Bb, Cb, Db, Eb, Fb, and Gb. So even though Cb is the same frequency as B-natural, it serves the same role in the scale as E does in the key of C, and if you didn't represent it as a flat note, your scale would have 2 "B"s and no "C."

This gets even more important when you get into different instruments with different natural keys. A Piano, flute, bassoon, and other instruments are what we call "Concert C" instruments, which means they have the same natural key of C. However, other instruments are different.

A standard clarinet is a Bb instrument, meaning its Bb scale matches the C scale of a piano. You also have Eb-clarinets that are a little smaller, meaning that if they play a "C" they'll be playing a concert Eb, which uses the same fingerings as a Concert Bb from a standard clarinet.

So when an Orchestra is playing something in the key of A-major (A, B, C#, D, E, F#, G#), an Eb-clarinet is playing in F#-major (F#, G#, A#, B, C#, D#, E#).

[–] MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 1 points 4 months ago

wow. I just learned more in 5 mins than in years of music lessons. thx

[–] MadBob@feddit.nl 14 points 4 months ago

It's astonishingly obvious once it's pointed out:

There's no B#/Cb and no E#/Fb, so the groups of two black notes are between C and E, and the groups of three are between F and B.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Jacob Collier ahh piano

[–] NorthWestWind@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Blue note support!

[–] not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 months ago

The layout differing from a typical piano bugs me though.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think we are looking at one of them new fangled microtonal keyboards. The white keys are your standard 12 TET notes (C, C#, D, D#, etc.) and the black keys are your half sharps / half flats.

Slaps roof you could fit so much math music in this bad boy.

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

The piano for when dodecaphony doesn't subvert tonality nearly enough.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 4 months ago

Now play chopsticks like Tom Hanks in Big.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Put some motion sensors on that thing and rig it so I can play chopsticks with my feet.

[–] Fester@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

And then add a light so cats can scare the shit out of passersby with eerie dissonance in the dead of night.

[–] Whirling_Cloudburst@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Is that baked enamel?