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[–] smnwcj@fedia.io 168 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think the wheel of history turns on a greater axle than a presidential election. Look at Europe, and the rest of the global north. The machine of neoliberal imperialism has created global instability and climate crisis, and the rich are locking down their spoils with right wing nationalism.

Trump was a fluke, he'd have had more bites at the apple in 2020/2024 and eventually get a win. If not him, then some evangelical fascist.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Absolutely. We’re seeing a return of authoritarian candidates in many first world nations. The people that witnessed Hitler’s rise are mostly gone, leaving many to overlook or minimize similar patterns of behavior.

As far as the US is concerned, Trump made the hat. Someone else will put it on.

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[–] rwhitisissle@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The machine of neoliberal imperialism has created global instability and climate crisis, and the rich are locking down their spoils with right wing nationalism.

I want this on my tombstone so the alien archeologists that eventually visit our ruined husk of a world can know what happened.

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[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 101 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

More like people were betrayed by the DNC and rejected an unpopular candidate that was thrusted onto them.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 62 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The dnc really ought to let voters nominate their own candidates, instead of force feeding us their choice.

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 54 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That is far too democratic to ever be a thing in your country. The political system is financed and thus owned by the capital, so they will never permit a not capitalist to have any political success. Bernie, a by all objective measures very moderate leftist, is the furthest the spectrum goes, and he is more tolerated as a sort of token minority than realistically able to affect any real change.

If people were able to select and push their own candidates the whole big money oligarchy collapses.

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[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 75 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

So... People tell me an election year is no time to talk about electoral reform. Every US election year. But! After the election, they scurry away under the refrigerator and stay there for 4 years. I know you have to hold your nose while you vote this time, but catch these weird centrists before they disappear and hold their feet to the fire to influence change. You deserve better than this "I'm not voting for _, I'm voting against _" nonsense. Your government is hurting all of us. Stop it, please.

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 60 points 2 weeks ago (32 children)

Bad take.

You get genocide either way; one is a guy trying to stop the genocide that's been negotiating behind the scenes for months (and yes, also giving the Israelis arms), and the other guy wants to accelerate the genocide while also ending democracy.

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 55 points 2 weeks ago (27 children)

Says the people who swallowed the genocide every year they've been alive but decided to get unproductively upset at the moment it will help conservatives most.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Not in 2000. Republicans win when Democrats abstain or vote third-party. I’m not judging, but sharing personal experience. I voted for Nader along with plenty of others. In turn, we had Bush respond to 9/11 and decide how to address climate change instead of Gore.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

Yes in 2000, third party didn't cede yhe election to Bush.

There were much more influential factors.

  1. Disenfranchisement of democratically leaning voters, voting machines literally being relocated for no reason on election Day.

These " random, unforeseeable" technical problems across many states coincidentally disenfranchised black and white voters 10 to 1 vote.

  1. Before the votes were counted, katherine Harris, who worked for Jeb Bush, the governor of California and George Bush's brother, requested that at that specific moment, while George Bush had a lead in the number of Florida votes recounted, Florida election officials be allowed to stop counting votes(If they kept counting, the projection was for Gore to win the count a second time)

  2. That went to the supreme Court, who said "yea, election officials shouldn't be made to count every vote if they don't want to", so George Bush ended up winning in his Governor brother's state.

Those travesties had a much greater impact, a magnitude greater, than your perfectly legitimate vote for Nader.

In every election, you should vote for the candidate than most aligns with your views.

I'm voting for Biden because he has an impressive executive track record on civil rights, the environment, sustainable technology in his first term and I hope he does the same in the second.

No other candidate that I'm aware of is more likely to do as much for the issues I think should be most urgently addressed.

Anyone voting for the green party or any third party should not be dissuaded from doing so because the American election system is broken.

By voting for a third party, they're fixing that break.

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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago

Uhhh and today the SCOTUS decided that Trump can never be prosecuted for anything he did or will do whilst president, so actually, democracy died today. Biden won't abuse this. Trump will, and there will be nothing to stop him from enacting his dictator plans. About that, and the political assassinations, and the president for life, I think Trump is serious.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

People who think our presidential elections are only recently fucked up are morons. Since basically day 1 the politics and seedyness and bullshit going on behind the scenes has always been insane.

There's some kind of narcissistic selfishness that constantly has a need for THIS time, OUR time to be the worst ever.

I mean, for the majority of the country's history, huge portions of its population had literally no democracy due to no right to vote. But I guess we'll ignore that.

We had portions of our history that were rocky as hell due to shifting balances of power between the federal branches, especially in the first 100 years.

We literally had a fucking civil war.

It's always so interesting to me how people just ignore how bad it's always been, and how many times the country did not, in fact, literally end, and yet they STILL gin up end of the country fearmongering constantly in every election cycle.

None of this is truly new.

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I didn't like her purchase and manipulation of the Democrat party, and abrogating the democratic process in denying the people their choice of Bernie Sanders.

But hey, let's not quibble about words.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

And now we have a convicted felon poised to be dictator.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Such a wide open door to walk through, and our broken incestuous Democrat party couldn't get their shit together enough to run a candidate who can talk.

DON'T BLAME THE VOTERS.

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[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, from my perspective, it failed long before that. The Democrats couldn't achieve their true objective if they had allowed Bernie to be elected, which was to give the illusion of a better option while ensuring that the status quo isn't affected where it relates to power and wealth.

Bernie was blocked for the same reason Biden isn't trying to block Israel from destroying Palestine.

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

3 SCOTUS picks in 4 years and a lot of the shit happening now is the direct result of that.

Imagine what a 7-2 (or 8-1) Conservative Supreme Court would do...

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’ll be worse than that. If Trump wins in the fall, it’ll be due to Democratic abstentions. The downballot effects would likely result in Republican control of Congress.

They’ll be able to expand and pack the court all they’d like with Senate and House majority.

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[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (24 children)

The DNC signed it's death warrant with that one. Bernie got screwed. We got Trump. The Supreme Court just handed Trump ultimate supreme dictator status. We all know Biden doesn't have the balls to do anything about it and he certainly isn't going to win the election.

As long as the R's can get 40 seats in the Senate this fall the great experiment finally fails.

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[–] TVgog56789@lemy.lol 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I mean yeah that's true but it's not like Trump is gonna be pro-palestine.

If anything he is gonna be even more pro-israel because it's a white supremacist colony.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

it’s not like Trump is gonna be pro-palestine

Trump loves Netanyahu for doing in Israel what he wants to do in the US.

Biden loves Israel because he's bought all the Only Liberal Democracy In The Middle East propaganda they've been spewing for decades.

But if you're a college student getting your head cracked by a SWAT team storming the Columbia campus, Biden is the one asking for your vote. Trump is asking for the SWAT guy's vote.

And that's why Trump is going to win. The SWAT guy is going to turn out for Trump while the protester spends the day in the ER.

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[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Y—…you guys think Israel being an apartheid state is less than 8 years old?

[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

That's not what this is saying, no.

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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 22 points 2 weeks ago

People still clamoring for Clinton are why we ended up with Trump and not two terms of Bernie.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

What's happening in Gaza now has been happening a long time, as President Carter said people weren't demanding change or horrified in general because ''they don't know, they don't want to know''. The passive approval has been there a long long time. Biden may actually respond to pressure, Trump will be directed by his evangelical base to stoke all out unilateral war, and he'll approve it.

Nothing here is simple, Biden doesn't control Isreal, and neither will Trump or anyone else, Trump used 'Palestinian' as a slur, an insult. He also expressed his stance against Biden as Biden not aiding Isreal MORE. Who do you think is going to effect change in the direction of ending the genocide?

If you're against the genocide, why in the world would you let the very pro genocide candidate win?

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

"Keep quiet or Ill turn this democracy around, so help me God!"

[–] Matombo@feddit.org 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If from 2 choices 1 means the death of democracy, the democracy is already dead. That was already true back then. I hate this post because I completly bushes over that fact and is only there to guilt trip people who want real change outside the 2 party system.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

No, no, I was assured Hillary Clinton was Basically The Same as Trump and Both Sides Were Bad.

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