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Poland stops supplying weapons to Ukraine as grain row escalates (www.bbc.com)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by interolivary@beehaw.org to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz
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One of Ukraine's staunchest allies, Poland, has said it is no longer supplying weapons to its neighbour, as a diplomatic dispute over grain escalates.

Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said Poland's focus was instead on defending itself with more modern weapons.

Other conservatives will likely want to follow suit

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[–] troed@fedia.io 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's the full quote. Sounds a bit different then.

“We will certainly not risk Ukraine’s security, which is why our hub in Rzeszów, in consultation with the Americans and NATO, continues to play the same role as it did.
And it will continue to do so.
We are no longer transferring any weapons to Ukraine because we are now arming ourselves with the most modern weapons. If you don’t want to defend yourself, you must have something to defend yourself with – this is our principle.
And that’s why we have made increased orders (…) – we are focusing on quickly arming the Polish army.”
[–] lps2@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Wonder if this is their play to get weapons from the US or other NATO members to modernize their arsenal and then free up older munitions to give to Ukraine like we've seen prior

[–] sorebuttfromsitting@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

what does "conservatives" mean in poland?

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not to be mean, but in Poland's case it means: right-wing populists running on nationalism (we fight for you against the evil EU/Germans trying to destroy our country and against immigration) and retarded christian family values (anti-lbgtq, anti-abortion).

Going by your other reply: From an US perspective you should know the drill and what kind of conservatism is meant here.

[–] sorebuttfromsitting@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

what i tried to express elsewhere is "conservative" in the U.S. could mean something comparatively mild, like raise the kids, pay your bills, love your spouse, etc, all the way to violent fascism at the other end. so maybe the spectrum is like that in Poland, I don't know. I've heard some shit, but I don't know.

[–] supercriticalcheese@feddit.it 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In this case it seems farmers. Maybe it's just posturing for appeasing them.

Extract from the Economist:

Eastern european countries have been among the staunchest supporters of Ukraine since Russia invaded last year. But that solidarity has frayed over the issue of agricultural exports. European Union member states that border Ukraine have argued that the duty-free import of Ukrainian produce to the bloc has caused havoc in their own markets

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2023/09/19/why-is-ukraine-suing-eastern-european-countries-over-grain

[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I always thought the goal was to bring down grain prices after getting choked from the war.

I am not sure I agree with Poland's outlook on the situation. Mainly because the goal was to feed people, not keep prices the way they were. And more grain was going to do that.

I understand Poland wanting to arm itself in a war with China or Russia, but I don't understand the reaction just because grain prices might go down because Ukraine is doing a great job of defending.

Then what was the point of Poland's assistance to Ukraine in the first place?

[–] supercriticalcheese@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago

It might be just internal politics before an election.

[–] Talaraine@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Or, just put the duty back on the duty free grain?

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are two problems. The Polish government directed their farmers to increase output before this happened. And the Ukrainian grain that isn't allowed to be sold in Poland anyway (they adhere to EU minimum food standards, so they are not allowed to use Ukrainian grain in food production (it's produced for example with cheaper fertilizers and pesticides banned in the EU)) is finding it's way into Polish markets -illegally that is- and crashed the price.

They could address their issue about corruption and effective EU laws about food safety getting broken... or they could create a general ban (basically make something illegal that isn't legal in the first place) and spin a story about bravely defending their farmers from the EU (...from getting fucked over by their own corruption actually - but don't say that quiet part out loud).

It's election time and they are populists running on anti-EU narratives. So option 2 it is.

PS: Ukraine's government is also not blame-free here. Their grain should be transported through Poland, not be sold in Poland. So the public push back against a ban that isn't affecting that (transit is still allowed), should not generate such a reaction. They are either just stupidly over-reacting or -and that case would be even worse- complaining that they are not allowed to exploit Poland's internal problems to sell their grain there directly. Which is of course easier for them... but that was never the intention when allowing the transport of Ukrainian grain.

[–] Manzas@lemdro.id 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am not polish but in Lithuania conservatives is a political party

[–] interolivary@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I meant it as in "conservatives in other countries". Poland's ruling party is very much a conservative one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_Justice

[–] sorebuttfromsitting@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

sounds like the same bullshit as ohio. yay?

[–] sorebuttfromsitting@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

no shade intended, but in the U.S. it's a very vague term, and we have some loonies trying to latch on to that, as you might have heard

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is a very vague term. People just don't want to say ethno-nationalist socialist. Especially since those terms have been confused as well. It's a good smoke screen.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

One of Ukraine's staunchest allies, Poland, has said it is no longer supplying weapons to its neighbour, as a diplomatic dispute over grain escalates.

Mr Zelensky said it was alarming how some of Ukraine's friends in Europe were playing out solidarity "in a political theatre - making a thriller from grain".

Arms exports to Ukraine will not stop completely as Polish manufacturer PGZ is due to send about 60 Krab artillery weapons in the coming months.

Earlier this week, Ukraine filed lawsuits to the World Trade Organization (WTO) against those countries over the bans, which it said were a violation of international obligations.

Kyiv called for Poland to "leave emotion aside" after their ambassador was summoned and instead suggested the parties should adopt a constructive approach to resolving the dispute.

The French Foreign Minister Catherina Colonna said on Wednesday an EU study revealed Ukrainian grain imports would not cripple European farmers, and described the tensions as "regrettable".

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