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Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month (blog.kagi.com)

submitted 2 years ago by narwhal@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.ml

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[+] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

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[–] ram@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Totally valid. For me the killer feature is being able to change the weights for various sites, making it so websites with content that's not useful to me or I don't like don't appear^[e.g. apple.com, facebook, nypost, quora], pinning websites that I consider best-of-class for their relevant searches^[e.g. wikipedia, the ffxiv wiki], and prioritizing websites I do like, but aren't always the best answer^[e.g. opencritic, speedrun.com, cbc, w3schools, github].

They also have a "Lenses" feature that lets you make your own search lens (like I have one for Lemmy-only results), but I've not really had much use for those.

[–] goji@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The regex redirect feature is another massive pro. I hope they bring it into Orion as well.

I already use Stop the Madness for this, and probably will continue to as it’s a more global solution, but having it built right into the search engine at least shows they’re taking real steps to hand control back to the user.

[–] ram@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

Oh ya I use that as well, to turn Youtube results into Invidious, reddit into web.archive.org/save/, twitter into nitter, tiktok into proxitok, and AMP results into normal articles. It's nice because, since I use kagi on my phone, it reaches where extensions don't normally.

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[–] Linssiili@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 years ago

Have you tried it? At least for me, I often get better results compared to google. Also Kagi has a free trial of 100 searches.

Granted I'm a developer, so my job is basically just searching for information, so getting better results is really valuable for me.

[–] narwhal@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

There's the 5$/month option available if you don't search more than 300 times a month.

[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago

It has a free trial. If you don't see the improvements, don't pay.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I posted this further down the thread, but I'll put it here so it's more visible in case the discussion is interesting.

According to this source, DuckDuckGo makes ~$0.0027 per search from ad revenue. Kagi @ $5/300 searches is ~$0.01667/search, or >6x higher than DDG's ad revenue. So is the overall value proposition from Kagi >6x higher than DDG?

Or to put it another way, for ~$5/month, I can get unlimited VPN through Mullvad, which if I'm not mistaken is quite a bit more resource intensive than search per added customer.

So $5/month for 300 searches, or $10/month for unlimited is a tough pill to swallow, especially when I have no guarantees that they're not also selling my data. If they were a nonprofit, I'd trust them a bit more and just chalk the higher cost up to limited scale, but AFAIK they're private so they have little incentive to reduce prices as they get more popular.

So I'm skeptical.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

I've been paying $10 per month for 1000 searches for a few months now and had no plans on cancelling. This unlimited change makes it even better. Not being constantly frustrated by poor search results trying to sell you stuff or influence what you're looking for is worth the money.

[+] BeanCounter@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

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[–] etrotta@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the 300/month is for the 5$ plan? possible "fair use"-like hidden limits aside, the 10$ sounds unlimited
from their front page they claim that "We do not log or associate searches with an account", and their privacy page is fairly detailed

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Businesses like this always end up veering towards changing privacy policies to the worse.

And depending on your threat model, not even a good privacy policy is enough.

[–] nephs@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago

What do you mean "like these"?

Usually businesses changing privacy policies are the ones without a revenue model that need to figure it out somehow, and aim to IPO.

10$/month way more revenue than they could be able to get with ads, and sure, let's hope they don't want to IPO, because that's the root of all enshittification.

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 8 points 2 years ago

Are you more content with instead giving your search history to a company whose business model isn't as transparent?

[–] seeg@toot.whatever.cz 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@narwhal Anyone recommending self-hosting searchx instead

https://dalf.github.io/searxng/donate.html They also ask for donations to help improve code
Cheapest server is at around $5/month.
Maintenance, upgrades, DDOS protection and whatnot also costs money.
You're still only as good as Google results allow you to be.

[–] goo@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Correct. Same dum dums complaining about the proce are there ones buying $12 lattes/day.

[–] Plavatos@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For some, money is tight, and there are already so many subscriptions available for premium service. Many of those are solutions to combat forced enshitification. The Internet is too powerful of a tool to back us into paying for every little feature. So forgive me for being a dum dum and not giving in and enabling these services that aim to nickel and dime.

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[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

300 searches per month for 5 USD sounds a bit expensive. That's about 10 searches per day. Sometimes I have had to try four or five variations of a search query to find what I am looking for on Google. Having to worry about exhausting a paid search quota sounds a little bit nerve-racking.

[–] narwhal@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

They now offer unlimited searches for $10/month.

[–] DeprecatedCompatV2@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

ITT: People who haven't tried Kagi.

Edit: Not shilling, Google just doesn't do what I need/want anymore.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

What is ITT?

[–] narwhal@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In This Thread.

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[–] aksdb@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

Sweet. I guess I will use that for a month or two and then reevaluate.

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