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When you connect a new device to a 'smart' tv, you must pay homage to the manufacturer with a ritualistic dance. Plugging and unplugging the device. Turning them on and off in the correct sequence like entering a konami code.

Every time you want to switch devices, the tv must scan for them. And god forbid you lose power, or unplug something. You are granted the delight experience of doing it all over again.

I have fond memories of the days of just plugging something in, and pressing the input button. Instant gratification. It was a simpler time.

What is some other tech that used to be better?

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 216 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

The internet.

The internet of the 90s was wild, creative, and not as accessible. We dreamed that as it grew and became more accessible, a utopia of information and creativity would flourish.

Instead we got a bland, corporate wasteland, and free soapboxes for every shithead out there.

[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com 58 points 4 months ago

Yup, most of the internet is now sadly an ad-infested monetized corporate hellhole, and as a bonus it's now rapidly being filled to the brim with AI slop, because it clearly wasn't bad enough just yet... :(

[–] theshatterstone54@feddit.uk 26 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Is there a solution (other than being on Lemmy)?

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 4 months ago (8 children)

There is a bit of a smolnet renaissance happening in niche tech and creative circles. Using IRC to socialize, reviving gopher protocol for blogs, creating lofi and pure HTML/CSS sites instead of using bloated JS frameworks. And of course, creating simple and/or federated services for media sharing.

Tell me if you'd like to know more. Additionally, my home instance is full of people with such interests.

[–] bangsnooter@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I would like to know more.

Mind linking some communities?

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (7 children)

All that chaos is still out there. Its just that its smaller and you have to not get stuck in the corporate bullshit.

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[–] BOFH666@lemmy.world 120 points 4 months ago (23 children)

Cars.

  • mechanical, no software bugs
  • physical buttons, no touch screen
  • everything just worked, no need to license the heating of your chair
  • freaking lane assist

You get it..

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 60 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Much safer now though. Traffic accidents are much less lethal nowadays (except SUV/Truck vs ped)

[–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 50 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Yeah but that isn't because of the LCD touchscreen console and software locked seat heating

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (9 children)

mechanical, no software bugs

This is a matter of perspective and shifting skill set demographics

From the perspective and skill sets of a old school mechanic/gear head who classically never really liked "tech stuff" yes that's a problem.

From the perspective and skill sets of, say someone like me who's really into the "tech stuff", but old school mechanical cars were never interesting are excited about some of the tech in cars, bugs be damned.

You might have gotten excited to figure out and fix what that "Weird knocking" was mechanically where as I would have just thrown my hands up and gone "Fuck. Now I gotta take it to the mechanic".

Now the roles are reversed, now you might be pissed to see the car show "ERROR CODE 73997" whereas I am more likely to have fun diagnosing it "the tech way". Plugging in my laptop, delving through logs etc. in the end I might still need to take it to a mechanic when the fix is something ultimately mechanical, but I sure as hell would have had a lot more fun with it and maybe even a little security against scrupulous mechanics.

Tl;Dr The car heads time is over, the time for the nerds to take over cars has come!

The rest, subscription seats, being locked out of manuals and diagnostic tools by the manufacturer etc are a whole different thing and can fuck ALLL the way off

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 months ago (5 children)

The bigger problem is, being ALLOWED to plug in your laptop and delve through the logs.

The right to repair has died with manufacturers following in Tesla footsteps, who is following the guidebook from apple.

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[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 93 points 4 months ago (13 children)

Buttons.

Everything used to have buttons and switches for things. You knew when you activated something because you could feel the button getting pressed.

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[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 84 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I know this is a cop-out because of the vast number of other improvements to devices and infrastructure, but I really liked having a seemingly indestructible phone with a removable 10-day battery and an absolute death grip on that 2g/3g network.

[–] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I really hope swappable batteries make a comeback to ditch the portable batteries and just swap a fresh one.

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[–] Today@lemmy.world 74 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Business phones with humans who answered them.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 27 points 4 months ago

I hate this so much. I had to call a clinic the other day to ask about medical test results. None of the options on the menu were for that. So I clicked 1 for appointments. Then my options were to reschedule an appointment or to cancel an appointment. No option to go back. I clicked 0 and it hung up on me. Called back, clicked schedule an appointment and it told me to hang up and go online. Fuck me.

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[–] sparr@lemmy.world 67 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Instant messaging.

20 years ago, there were half a dozen competing major platforms (AIM, Yahoo, ICQ, MSN, etc), like today.

The difference is that you had your choice of half a dozen clients that could each talk to ALL of the platforms. Adium, Trillian, Kopete, etc.

Today's kids have no idea what we lost to the god of profit.

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[–] TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub 58 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

iPods

Google search

Netflix/streaming

Windows

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 52 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (22 children)

I feel like the problem is less with the technology itself and more with some of the stuff within and around it. So let me list my favourite bugbears:

  • Buttons!

Here's the thing about buttons and knobs: they are definite. When you press them, you KNOW you pressed them, you can use your finger to feel for them without activating other stuff by accident. Back in the day with my cheap-ass chinese MP3 player, I could change tracks and playlists without taking it out of my pocket just by using tact and muscle memory.

Nowadays with my smartphone even something as basic as skipping a track requires me to take it out and unlock the screen. It's like. Sure, the phone does a lot more stuff, and can stream stuff from the internet so I don't have to download every track (even if I keep a local library for my favourites in ogg format), it has bluetooth for wireless headphones, a lot of good shit -- But that little bit of user experience is just dead and buried.

Heck, my older sister tells me she used to text her friends in class without taking her phone off her pocket. Imagine! IMAGINE typing a text on one of those old phone number pads, just by muscle memory and tact! It may not be the ideal user experience, but holy shit, it was possible! Try doing anything even close to blind typing on a modern smartphone.

Another point: when something goes unresponsive on a device with just a touchscreen, you experience a confusing and annoying experience as all you have feedback-wise is the screen and sometimes it freezes and you're swiping and tapping and just praying something happens.

When a computer with keys and buttons goes unresponsive you can do the three-fingered-salute and that usually gets it to do something, and because the keyboard is a physical object, it can't be hidden from you by a crashed OS.

Nowadays even kitchen appliances are dropping buttons and knobs. My parents' dishwasher is all touch-buttons, sometimes they brush against it while walking around the kitchen and lo and behold, their butt pauses the washing cycle. Something that wouldn't be an issue with a much cheaper set of regular-ass buttons.

To say nothing of cars and the horrid security issue that fusing a tablet to the dashboard and replacing every control with just that has proven to be.

  • Customization!

Used to be, Windows 9x let you change every colour of your UI right from the built-in settings app and came with a dozen colorschemes built-in, and Windows XP came with three built-in themes and could with just some changing around (you replaced like ONE dll file, a single copypaste), support themes that totally changed the look of the OS. Nowadays you get "White" and "Black" and that's it.

And like, that's windows, a corporate-ass proprietary system for corporate jerks -- But even Linux -- Linux! the darling of nerds who like to change everything in their computers (like me!) has caught this illness -- And you'll see people defending this. Saying that having no theming support and only having users be able to change highlight colours if even that is the "right way" to do it.

On the note of customization -- In the back-then times, chat applications let you set fonts and colours to give your messages "your look", and your friends could do the same. -- Fuck! The application me and my mates used for playing RPGs by text back in the early 10s supported not just font colours, but also complete rich-text, and would let you set different colours for like, things said by a character vs. narration, resulting in an utterly beautiful formatted text.

Don't get me wrong, we use Telegram/Discord for that now and having a fully searchable archive of everything that we did and talked about is great and I wouldn't trade it for the world. But the most customization you get is -- Setting a profile picture. The most formatting you get is bold/italics.

Webforums would let you have an avatar, a user title under the avatar (that many forums let you customise!), and a signature. Nowadays with things like Lemmy you have to squint to see a person's username.

And like, it's not like there is something about the modern technologies unto themselves that prevents these bits of customisation: Computers are better at drawing shit on screen than ever, internet connectivity has only gotten faster, and we figured out 'sending some markup codes to make rich text' as a thing way back in the 80s. We lost all that simply because the people making the applications don't want to have it.

I feel like for every neat thing that new technology provides us, it takes three steps back for entirely human and not at all technological issues. ^read:^ ^capitalism^

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[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 50 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Google keyboard before they went all in on machine learning for spelling and grammar. It was freaky good at correction, then immediately fell off a cliff. It still replaces my son's name, which I type multiple times a day, with a less common name even when I type it correctly. I've removed the wrong name from the dictionary but no dice, still gets it wrong.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Everything Google has done was better before they inserted machine learning. Google Maps used to give accurate lane-specific directions, then they switched to using approximate traffic data to determine directions, and since most drivers are morons, Maps now tells you to turn right in a straight-only lane and make an illegal left turn in 150ft after crossing 4 lanes.

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[–] Bongles@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Android "swipe" keyboards in general are almost all terrible right now. We had it, I would get the correct word most of the time and I could do it fast. Now, no matter which one I try using - Google, Samsung, Microsoft, that FOSS one - nearly every sentence i type has some word that it gets wrong.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 43 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
  • email. Before Microsoft fucked it up with html and β€œsome asshole would like to recall this email” type bullshit.
  • web search, obviously.
  • any fucking software that you have to rent.
  • so, so much more.
[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)
  • Facebook.
  • OKCupid.
  • Reddit
  • Netflix
  • Amazon Prime Video
  • iTunes
  • Twitter
  • Patreon
  • Everything Adobe
  • Google Voice
  • YouTube
  • Most search engines

ALSO

  • MySQL
  • Redis

ALSO

  • Wordpress

ALSO

  • Vacuum cleaners
  • Refrigerators
  • Every power tool ever
  • Most cars
  • Airplanes (looking at you Boing)

ALSO

  • Apple products

ALSO

[–] Turd_Ferg@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Pandora. I remember when it was a "music experiment"

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[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 38 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Car stereos.

They used to have buttons and tape decks and cd players in em. From the factory.

I don’t want to do a complex install of some aftermarket thing. I want a car stereo with buttons, knobs, a tape deck, cd player, am/fm and aux input that looks like it belongs in my cars interior and is designed with the same ideas as the rest of the cars controls.

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[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Swords are kind of crap now compared to the Renaissance. These days they come out of malls to be put on walls.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.de 14 points 4 months ago

With the ever growing HEMA and reenactment scene, there are a bunch of really good forges/manufacturers putting out fantastic training equipment, replicas and custom work, sharp and blunt.

With our machining and material science I'd guess that a high end sword now would blow the originals out of the watee

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I mean you can still buy good quality swords, you just don't buy them from the mall.

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[–] bloodjinn@lemmy.ca 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You bought a samusng tv didn't you?

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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Roomba. It got better in ways that made it worse. Really just want to put it in a room and let it wander around and vacuum. It doesn't need to map the house and then get confused if a door is closed. It doesn't need to tell me the filter is old. The old ones you could just put them wherever and close a door or put a box in the way to keep it corralled where you want it.

Better and smarter are two different things. Sometimes they intersect, other times they don't.

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[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Dude. Everything?

I’m exhausted with how much stuff I can’t use like I used to because a dev or manufacturer updates software. Granted, the speed of things is much improved thanks to chip technology. Software, in some cases - many cases in my experience, is getting worse.

A big one for me is music. I prefer FM radio and my own music library (digital, iPod, cd, vinyl). Because, as it’s increasingly becoming the case with everything else, you’re relying on someone else or some algorithm to do the thinking for you. And when you finally get used to something, they break it or add needless complexity.

Another one is cameras - they just do way too much crap now. Lots of people might find added features and improvement but for me it just gets in the way of iso, aperture, shutter speed. And then they’re outdated in five years anyway.

I still have a dumb tv from ~2012. The back lighting is starting to go and I’m terrified of getting a new one.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 28 points 4 months ago (5 children)

So much. So, so, SO much.

Websites in general. More bloat, more CPU usage, worse design, less content. This is even worse for shopping sites, USAians probably only know Amazon, but people from other countries definitely know a big local name that used to have a much better site years ago compared to today.

Smart TVs are the worst. You're better off buying a shitty china android tv box than a smart tv, both will suck up and sell all your data, but at least the latter can be kept off when you don't need the "smart" part.

Smartphones. Not only the whole "LETS COPY APPLE" on hardware and software design, but also on how fast it's doing a lot of the stupidity that followed PCs: phones keep getting more powerful, programs keep getting slower and more resource intensive because ~~fuck you~~ "new features"

Ad tech. Yes, I'd glady go back to shitty popups over clickjacking, infinite redirects that don't show up on the "back" button, annoying anti-adblocks, 70% of pages being advertising and fingerprinting bloat, javascript/css having control to FUCKING HIDE AND DISABLE MY SCROLL BAR

Tinder. It was good 10 years ago, enshittification accelerated aroudn 2017. Free accounts have had a hard time getting any matches as far back as 2019, as I recall from experience. Nothing like having received "41" likes, going through 300 profiles with "nope" and not losing a single match.

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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 27 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Analogue TV was much faster with much lower latency than digital TV.

[–] coffinwood@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If there's one thing I don't need from a TV, then it's low latency. The pause, rewind, and skip functions are some serious stuff, on the opposite.

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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Google Assistant/Google Now (RIP).

My phone 10 years ago used to have a component called Google Now on Tap which would show me useful information like where I parked my car, when my next appointment is, what my commute looks like, what the weather is going to be, etc.

It was so context aware and good at predictive algorithms, I never really had to do more than swipe left to get what I needed. But of course now that's in the "Killed by Google" graveyard because it didn't enforce enough "engagement" with apps and services that could feed you ads.

In general, I find Google Assistant to be less helpful overall and worse at understanding what I am trying to do. It used to be a daily convenience for me, but now I can't remember the last time I ever bothered with it. Not to mention every time you use it these days, it has to throw in a "By the way,..." suggestion that just feels like an ad for itself, because it is never related to anything I want to do.

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[–] Teknikal@lemm.ee 25 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I think radios the fact the digital ones use much more battery and just break all the time. I think FM was higher quality as well at least in the UK.

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[–] SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Yo just turn off that TVs version of HDMI control. (CEC, magic remote, etc) To avoid the scanning bullsh. (Sounds like Samsung)

Outside of that I kinda miss old copper phone lines to a certain extent. Analog stuff in general

Everything being digital removes any possibility of a signal being able to still be discerned even if it's not absolutely perfect.

Old tech would be subject to static of course, but you could possibly still make out the TV channel or radio station, even if it's not perfect.

These days, you hear or see a little tiling for a second and the media is gone until a good enough signal comes back.

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Spend some money get an rpi or those cheapish intel boxes with an N95 or N100 processors. Install Kodi. Use smart TV as dumb TV!

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

Anything with asbestos in it. It's just a truly amazing material, with the one catch that it happens to dangerously irritate lung tissues. Relevant XKCD.

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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Hi-fi stereo systems with amplifiers, speakers and cables.

I could be wrong, but I think that old stereo systems generally have way better sound quality than Bluetooth systems, soundbars and the like. Physical media such as CDs or even Flac files (etc.) are of course impractical compared to streaming, but the audio quality is much higher.

However, since you can also stream audio without any problems, I would recommend every music fan to buy a used stereo system with high-quality speakers from the 2000s or even from the late 90s - in my opinion, excellent audio quality at a low price.

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[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Video games. Don't get me wrong, there are still some great games, but the entire experience has degraded on average.

  • The inclusion of obnoxiously long, often unskippable, intro sequences with studio credits and such. There used to be maybe a logo, maybe a very short sequence at worst, and almost always skippable.
  • Most of the big budget games are intended to be a grindy slog, often to get you to spend more money on micro transactions. Fun takes a back seat to intentionally addictive but objectively less enjoyable experiences.
  • Others are intended to be cinematic experience. Some of that can be fun, but sometimes I just want something like the old Sonic or Mario games that I can just pick up, play for a bit, and put down.
  • Enjoy a game? You could talk to friends about it at school, or buy a magazine that talks about it. The experience now is largely an unregulated online wasteland... If you find a community, it may quickly be beset by people that you really don't want to associate with, posting crap that no magazine ever would have published. Except for some of the funnier magazines, which may have published it just to rightfully mock the person.

The graphics have improved. In some cases the gameplay has improved. I don't want to downplay those. I'm just annoyed with how the overall experience has gotten worse on average.

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Oh

I for-real misread this, as asking what is an example of tech that actually has gotten better, because the general rule is that things become more shit over time, as capitalism gets its hands on them

I was gonna say programming languages. Having come up in the time of C++ and Java, having Python and Go and Rust around is fuckin fantastic. Even Typescript is… well… it’s not JavaScript! See, things are getting better.

Literally everything else is getting worse over time.

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[–] son_named_bort@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I don't know if it counts as tech per se, but phone calls. It used to be the case that many if not most phone calls people received were important, so they would have a good reason to answer the phone. These days most calls are spammers or scammers and a lot of people don't answer the phone because of this. With spoofing, even calls that appear to be from a legitimate number can easily be a scam, and it's hard to trust any calls these days.

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[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

When you connect a new device to a 'smart' tv, you must pay homage to the manufacturer with a ritualistic dance. Plugging and unplugging the device. Turning them on and off in the correct sequence like entering a konami code.

Every time you want to switch devices, the tv must scan for them. And god forbid you lose power, or unplug something. You are granted the delight experience of doing it all over again.

This drives me up the wall with my TV speaker - having to remember name of the settings that get reset for each power outage. If I was smart, I'd note the procedure down somewhere, but nah blob-no-thoughts

I'd add any software that has switched to a subscription or SaaS model. Shit used to be super expensive in the past, but you could at least buy a software and keep it indefinitely for home use. It feels like everything is a subscription model. I have a family budgeting software that is no longer sold as a one-time purchase. I guess new users have to include the monthly cost of the budgeting software in their family now! Sure, the sub version has fancy ways to integrate your bank accounts, but doing it by hand every couple of weeks really makes you aware of what you are spending.

I sound so old lmao

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