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The incident in northern California marked the latest mishap blamed on the electric vehicle company's Autopilot tech

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[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 145 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Musk did prove he doesn't know what a train is

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
[–] 0x0@programming.dev 90 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Was the driver asleep or something? The car drove quite a bit on the tracks... sure, blame Tesla all you want (and rightly so), but you can't really claim today that the car has "autopilot" unless you're hunting for a lawsuit. So what was the driver doing?

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 66 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

That's what I was thinking, your car starts doing something fucking stupid and you just let it?

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] emogu@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Elon take the wheel

[–] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Well what's the point of self driving if you can't have a wank on the drive home?

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I can tell you wank with your eyes closed :D

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[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 40 points 4 months ago

It's hard to tell who's worse at driving. Tesla owners or their auto pilot

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Who needs a driver? This car has AUTOPILOT.

But seriously, Tesla "autopilot" is nothing more than a cruise control you have to keep an eye on. Which means, it's NOT "autopilot." This technology is not ready for the real world. Sooner or later, it's going to cause a major, horrible accident, involving dozens or people. Musk has enough connections to avoid any real-world consequences but maybe enough people will get over their child-like worship of billionaires and stop treating him like he's the next Bill Gates.

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Somewhat ironically, autopilot for airplanes is more less attitude/speed holding for most history. More modern systems can now autoland or follow a preprogrammed route (the flight plan plugged into the FMS), but even then changes like TCAS advisories are usually left up to the pilots to handle. Autopilots are also expected to give control to the pilots in any kind of unexpected situation.

So in a way tesla's naming here isn't so off, it's just the generic understanding of the term "autopilot" that is off somewhat. That said, their system is also not doing much more than most other level 2 ADAS systems offer.

On the other hand, Elon loves going off about Full Self Driving mode a lot, and that's absolutely bullshit.

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[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

California, so I'm I'm guessing the driver was getting head at the time whilst drinking beer.

[–] Thavron@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 months ago

He was focusing on the caboose

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Even if asleep, how do you sleep through that? Would be super bumpy.

[–] dmalteseknight@programming.dev 53 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Autopilot was in TRAINing mode

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And it has a great TRACK record in training mode.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

It certainly was CHUGGING ALONG nicelly.

[–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 4 months ago

Not surprising, considering Tesla autopilot sees trains as a bunch of semis bumper to bumper.

[–] darkevilmac@lemmy.zip 44 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The locomotives yearn for the tracks

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Further proof that America needs to invest in electrified rail

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

All the "self driving" cars are trying to evolve into proper trams and railways

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago (5 children)

This is that "AI" that investors keep jerking themselves purple over.

Real "Self driving cars" will not be available in our lifetimes.

[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

self-driving vehicles have existed for decades, and they are very safe.

They are trains 🚊 / trams 🚋

[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Trams and trains have drivers.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I can afford to have a driver if I'm splitting the cost with 400 of my closest friends.

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[–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago (11 children)

I don't believe that. Based on how far AI has come in the recent years I think it's only a matter of time before someone (other than Tesla) manages to do it well.

The biggest problem with the Tesla Auto pilot is Elon. Just the fact that he insists on using only camera-based vision because "people only need their eyes to drive" should tell you all you need to know about their AI.

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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 33 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Someone accidentally included Back to the Future 3 footage in the training data.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

But only the very last scene

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[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 23 points 4 months ago

Aww, it want to be train, let it be train.

[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

How cute, it trainsitioned

TRAINSITIONED, CORAL

[–] Erasmus@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Choo Choo! Morherfuckers!!

[–] HaleHirsute@infosec.pub 16 points 4 months ago

This sounds like a metaphor for Elon endorsing Trump.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Driver: no Tesla that's not a road!

Tesla: YOLO!

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 12 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Roads really need a standard for sensors specifically for autopilots.

GPS and cameras reading lines, signs ,and lights aren't good.

[–] wieson@feddit.org 33 points 4 months ago

Yeah, like a digital "ideal line" that the cars can follow.

Maybe even a physical guiding line.

We could even connect all the cars via WLAN (WiFi) to exchange info when they are braking and accelerating. That would increase efficiency.

Maybe we could even connect them physically to have a stronger engine pulling more cars more efficiently.

If we already have an ideal guiding line, we might actually save some asphalt and make the roads more optimised. Use different materials so the tyre particles don't pollute as much.

Ah, let's just build a train.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or just fund public transportation instead :)

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Autopilot buses could use this too.

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[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (8 children)

I don't want to waste any more tax money trying to make one of the least effecient modes of transport more autonomous. Just build an electricrfied tram if thats what you want.

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[–] eronth@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Eventually a great idea, but that's not rolling out particularly soon.

[–] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Hyperloop 2.0

[–] wolfeh@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

News tomorrow: Police department retracts statement after Elon Musk lawsuit

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Isn't it the responsibility of the driver during autopilot?

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Human drivers have done this before. Navigation system says "turn right", they don't realise it means after the level crossing.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Hello Tesla PR department.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I just don't understand how someone can read all the warnings, get a driver's license (implying their knowledge of the rules of the road) and presumably have years of driving experience and magically think it's ok to just stop paying attention.

It doesn't matter if the car fully promotes itself as self driving, it doesn't matter if the laws surrounding it still require you to be present and in control.

It's no different than 1000hp cars, just because the car is marketed as such, doesn't magically make it legal to go 200mph.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You don't understand why people would think that a feature called "full self-driving" is capable of fully driving the car itself?

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[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I think it’s every responsible driver’s duty not to buy a Tesla!

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